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Aerobatic 3D Contest > I Keep Losing Orientation
 
 
RotorheadBob
Senior Heliman
Location: Wash DC Metro Area

This year I'm determined to learn Backwards, Inverted, and Backwards Inverted Flight. Seems like I can learn one really well, but get mixed up with the other directions.

Right now, backwards flight is by far the easiest to do, but simply keep getting my directions wrong. I tried doing some simple inverted forward flight and I kept getting both the rudder and elevator wrong.

Backwards inverted is pretty good, too, but when I fly that a lot, I sometimes get the upright backwards wrong.

If this is simply a matter of practice, fine, I'll do the practice. But is there something that you do to train your brain which way the helicopter moves?

I've hear about pushing the nose/tail away from the blades, but when I want to switch from backwards to backwards inverted by rolling the heli, I really can't make my brain switch with it. Again, is practice the real key here?

Thanks for any and all input.

Rob Clark

PS--I've learned more stuff in the last 3 months than the last 5 years with the aid of Real Flight!
05-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
SAL
Veteran
Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada

Practice, practice, and then some more. As you already have sussed out, their is no magic pill, and yes even the top 3D dogs are human!!!!

I got this from my days playing golf, but it normally takes around 21 days for the brain to develop a hand to eye co-ordinated action for one particular movement.
Something to remember when your struggling

SAL

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05-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Malorie
Elite Veteran
Location: Paw squared, MI

Stick Time.

I usually just say to myself, backwards, then my brain makes a mode change, I just concentrate on putting the heli where I want it and forget about which way to push the sticks. If you find yourself thinking about which way the sticks need to go you need more practice.

Yup, all in the stick time.

Other than that, you can lead with your T/R while upright or backwards. Lead with your roll cyclic while inverted forward. Do everything backwards (except elevator) while inverted backwards.

Life's a journey, NOT a destination.
05-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
pchuckie
Veteran
Location: Pemberton TWP, NJ

Backwards inverted is the same stick coordination as rightside up forward. Inverted forwards is the same as rightside up backwards. As far as the relationship between rudder and cyclic inputs. also inverted fly the tail, rightside up fly the nose.
05-29-2003 Over year old.
 
 
1hander
Senior Heliman
Location: San Antonio, TX

fly fly fly

stick time and def if you can a simulator, it will save you so much money itll probably pay for itself in the first two crashes depending on what youre flying..
rick
05-29-2003 Over year old.
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

Here's a medicopter prescription for you:
Simulator exercise 30 min per night, 7 days a week.
Field flight exercise 4 times per day or burn 1 gallon fuel per week!
Good luck !
06-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
King Cobra
Veteran
Location: Virginia. USA.

Here is a good tip for you

Try to recover the heli in all orientation and buill an instant refex, then when you ready to execute tell yourself out loud RELAX ( There is nothing you could do at this point accept trusting your self )
Practice high then when you get more persistence go lower. Get a 50 heli to practice stick bang then smooth out the manuever later when you develope confidence and know what to expect and what to look out for.

C.T
06-06-2003 Over year old.
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RotorheadBob
Senior Heliman
Location: Wash DC Metro Area

Christopher,

I am using a 50, a Sceadu, that keeps the fear factor down a lot. That thing is flying great. I also am flying high and have my bailout manouvers.

I do still get some pieces and parts backwards, but flying the real thing vs. the sim seems so much easier due to the perspective and the fact the heli is much easier to see than that spec on the computer screen once it's a bit away from me.

Since I've started the backwards, inverted, and BI, seems like my confidence level has sky rocketed. I still have to pay attention and concentrate, but I don't fear the helicopter as I have before. Last year I seemed to crash a lot. This year I've done twice as much flying as all of last year, and no crashes (knocking on wood!).

Rob
06-07-2003 Over year old.
 
 
w.pasman
Elite Veteran
Location: Netherlands

Did you do thorough hovering practice or did you take shortcuts? For instance skipped or rushed through nose-in and sideways hovering, nose-in tail in figure 8's etc? These basic maneuvers are the basic for all straight-up figures. Same for inverted, inverted hovering is the basis.
06-09-2003 Over year old.
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Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

The following are tips that might help you out of being confused:

Flying right side up :
In forward flight you move the sticks in the same direction when you turn right or left.
In backward flight you move the sticks opposite each other when you
turn right or left.
When flying right side up, prioritize your mind using the cyclic to turn and the rudder as an assist to complete the turn.

Flyng Inverted :
In forward flight you move the sticks in opposite directions when turning right or left.
In backward flight you move the sticks in the same direction when turning right or left.
Again, keep in mind that you prioritize cyclic for making turns to the left or right and assist with rudder to complete the turn.

Memorize stick directions and perhaps the confusion will evaporate!
Good Luck!
06-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
volare
Veteran
Location: Cincinnati Area

I'm about at the same stage as you. I can fly backwards and inverted fairly well right now but I haven't tried both at the same time much. I would not recommend trying to memorize stick directions. I don't think that helps at all. You just have to have some confidence to do it and practice then it becomes natural. Also, by this point you should be able to bail out from any orientation, assuming you are high enough. So if you get dissoriented just roll/flip/piro back to a comfortable orientation.
06-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
airwolf
Senior Heliman
Location: Hanna, Alberta, Canada

I found I spent so much time flying upside down, that I forgot how to fly right side up!!!! Kind of funny EH!!!

Dave
06-20-2003 Over year old.
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KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

imo learn inverted before any of the backwards stuff

you'll get into invertitis, its a disease that happens while learing inverted: you'll mess up upright flying until you can get over this and do a seamless transition between the two most of the time, hold off on backwards flying.
06-20-2003 Over year old.
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