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warlock1174
Heliman
Location: USA

Hmmmm....

While reading through this thread it occurred to me....

How hard is it to BECOME an insurance company?
What if some of us got together and started an insurance company STRICTLY for this purpose?

Anybody? I'll do what I can if anyone wants to help?!
07-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Angelos
Key Veteran
Location: nr Oxford, OX11, UK

I believe in UK if you have a few £Million you can insure your car yourself. I think that similarly you could provide aerial photography insurance if a few people participate in creating a company. But who would want to risk loosing his house if someone else’s helicopter leaves a member of public disabled?
07-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dgxco
Senior Heliman
Location: Greenville, SC

Self-Insure

Trying to self insure in the US is a big "NOT" IMO.
As I ask myself every time I think about it. Is the risk worth the benefits of going without insurance? To me No!
Just for information purposes I contacted a few businesses in my area who might have a need for photography work to determine if I could utilize their coverage to extend over me while doing work on their behalf as it has been stated in the forum. I got a overwhelming 100% rejection. Tried to add on to homeowners: No. Tried AMA again: No. Tried to purchase insurance for commercial photography and add coverage for R/C heli's: No. Tried less than B rated surplus companies: No. Same Old No all the way around.


Dark Angel
07-30-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dgxco
Senior Heliman
Location: Greenville, SC

More rejections

I tried Brown & Brown and had been given some expectations of quotes from the agent. Good thing that I dont get too excited anymore because I called them today and got a big story on how I should try aviation insurers as they have been unable to get a policy at any price!
I've been the aviation route and that is just a bad lead. Back to square #1 geez.

Dark Angel
08-02-2003 Over year old.
 
 
mlmcquiggjr
Heliman
Location: Tulsa, OK

Photography Insurance

Has anyone checked into the good ole U.S. Government Small Business Administration? Perhaps a little red tape might be just the ticket!
08-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
dgxco
Senior Heliman
Location: Greenville, SC

Insurance Broker Reply 8/5/03

Here is a direct reply from my last hope in a brokerage house for coverage:

"Received word from the broker that all his markets have been exhausted and he doesn't know where else to go. I have tried to place this for you and have not been able to find a market. I do apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused, but we just don't seem to have any companies willing to listen. Thank you for the opportunity and I hope
you are able to resolve this matter soon."

Dark Angel
08-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
slant911
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV. Hirobo, Magnum Fuels, MAH

I believe someone did try Lloyds a while back. As I recall they would insure it (as they will insure anything), but, the cost was astronomically high...


John B. McNamara
08-05-2003 Over year old.
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Dr. Fibinotchi
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux Falls SD

Insur

I think most of us on this thread have stepped back and see how difficult things are/ can be in the US. Its a black and white world and we are dealing in gray... It is a nice idea to do what you love, but reality sets in...and well...

I agree that if you had more people insured through one company the cost for each goes down. Just for S*hits and giggles I wonder if Lloyds would give a much better premium if all of us went through them. Yes we would run into the bottom 10% that have a claim and raise it for the rest, but lets assume for a moment that we set a bar or a baseline for newer member coming into it would have to achieve or learn before insur was given...etc service gear anually, accident free etc etc. This would not guarentee as there are none, but give a much better chance for the rest of us to keep the premiums the same. Its alredy a lose lose situation for everyone because no one can get it affordiblly..or they say they can, but the fine print shows otherwise.

So there are some companies that do write policies, but the cost are super high. What are some of the prices others have found? Would the companies writing these adjust much or any with the majority of pilots going through them?


Thoughts to ponder.

-Cody
08-05-2003 Over year old.
 
 
CKY
Veteran
Location: Sunshine Coast, BC, Canada

Deductible???

I live in Canada and have yet to pursue the insurance...may be scary.

With a camera ship and gear in the range of $5 to 7000.00can, a voluntary deductible of several thousand dollars may be nesseccary to secure insurance. Short of maiming someone, it is unlikely that any claim would exceed our initial loss of chopper and gear.

I would like to think our equipment and skill would have to be at a predetermined level to aquire insurance. A "very" large deductable could make it a little more attractive for a company to take the risk. An additional loss of say 5-10 grand would at least save the family home.

In my opinion, the overreactance to 911 and the new "Homeland Security" is costing everyone way more than is realistic and insuruance companies are just kneejerk reacting to overblown fears and cashing in on the hype.
08-06-2003 Over year old.
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dgxco
Senior Heliman
Location: Greenville, SC

Insurance Reactions

I fully agree that 9/11 is a big factor in the lack of insurance. I have had some agents tell me that the insurance companies are concerned that these RPV's could be used for terrorist activities, what a bunk!
Insurance companies are in the business to make money period. They are not your friendly neighbors as their ads suggest. With financial investment returns so low at this time they are not interested in getting risky business unless they can take you for all you've got and will be getting. This business is un-common, unusual and small in number, as a result no insurer really cares about it.

Dark Angel
08-06-2003 Over year old.
 
 
daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

Insurance companies are disinterested because the market potential is too small. Why mess with a couple people who have an RC heli when EVERYONE has a house or a car or a life to insure.

The pattern we see is the people who DO get insurance are people who already have business insurance of some type with a proven track record of insurability.

It really stinks that this has to be such a big issue. Fact is even if you are insured maybe you wouldn't be covered in an accident. Insurance companies AUTOMATICALLY turn down an average of 10% of legitimate claims.

In the "Sue-happy" USA it's not safe to even leave the house! You can't possibly be insured against EVERYTHING can you?
08-06-2003 Over year old.
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jackd63
Senior Heliman
Location: Loveland, Colorado

copy from another thread

This is a coppied from another post I posted a while back. Check it out and let us know what you find. I am no longer interested in insurance but I would get a kick out of it if this were the golden egg.
I was quoted 3 million coverage, 1 million per incident as I recall and the premium was $1800 a year.


From HELICAMERA.COM
Here's the insurance info I found last year.
Diane Rothfuss
Flood and Peterson Insurance, Inc.
4821 Wheaton Dr
Ft Collins, CO 80527
company # (970) 266-8710
direct # (970) 266-7131.


Tell her that Jack Daniels said hi.

I never did find out any details like exclusions and so forth about the coverage and would be a good idea for you to do that. I have decided to call it quits and although the reasons are many, the biggest is because of an incident we had in early June. We went down to Pueblo, CO to shoot pictures of a Harley rally with over 1000 riders. We got there on a Thursday afternoon and shot some pictures with several hundred riders in the parking lot of the Harley shop. We were set up to print nice quality glossy pictures right on the spot. We sold 2 lousy pictures for a total of $24. The trip alone cost me 2 days work, a couple hundred dollars in things like gas, camping spot, ink and paper for the pictures etc. We decided to spend the night since we had gone so far and decided to try our luck again the next morning. I did not only a preflight inspection but also did a test flight to make sure everything was running ok. Now here is where the straw broke this camels back. After the test flight all I did was land the helicopter and power it down. About 45 minutes later they were ready for us to take pictures. I brought the heli into a hover and to my surprise it started to drift to the left, I gave it right cyclic and nothing was there. I gave it full right and still nothing. I had full control over everything else except right cyclic. As it drifted to the left, it was heading for a wire fence. I gave it pitch to go over the fence and immediately noticed cars out of the corner of my eye wizzing by at 75mph, we were next to I-25. Not having any other choice I had to set it down just next to the emergency lane but was on a steep incline and it went over on it's side. When I got the heli back home I was getting ready to dissect it to find out what went wrong. To my surprise everything was working just fine and to this day I have no idea what went wrong. So to all of you out there that think you are safe by doing a complete preflight, I got news for you. Sometime things go wrong and there is nothing you can do to prevent it. Keep in mind, this was a 46cc Bergen Industrial Twin that was easily capable of killing people. Insurance or not, I am no longer willing to risk the life of other people (or myself) for what little (or no) financial gain there "might" be.
I found the insurance last year through a contractor that required me to have insurance to do the work for them. It was their insurance company and when I told him that the cost was $1800 a year and that I had such a small clientele that he would have to absorb the brunt of the cost which was double my quote of $135 they decided to let me do it without the insurance. Good luck to you all, I am outta here
08-09-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Dr. Fibinotchi
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux Falls SD

hmm

Sorry to hear your troubles at the ralley. I am thinking of the agg. applications where there is no one around, but corn. Yes there is always a chance. Anyone know much about thermal imaging and how much these cameras cost?
08-18-2003 Over year old.
 
 
lowandslow
Key Veteran
Location: Spring Hill, TN

Yes, it's called Thermography. If you go the entry level route a camera will run about $25,000.00. If you go with a pro setup from Flir w/software and a couple of lenses it will run you about $80,000.00
08-18-2003 Over year old.
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daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

Dr. Fibinotchi

are you the guy I saw in the Daily Globe a while back using GPS and a camera to look at crop conditions?

If you're the same guy, I know you have GPS. Just wondered if you are still flying line-of-sight or have you made use of the Rotomotion gadget?
08-18-2003 Over year old.
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Dr. Fibinotchi
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux Falls SD

Rotomotion

I think you where talking about a guy in ND that uses planes that was in the paper. I have talked with Rotomotion company and they look very good. Along with N. Robotics these looked very promising for agg. applications with waypoints. The kicker about this whole thing is the initial cost ESPECIALLY if you have a 25k and up thermal camera. You better have all of your ducks in a row super glued..lol...

There was a company in Ne that wanted me to fly for them to do topography instead of using a full size plane with their gps and software, but I dont think they had the budget to support the initial setup, and insur....well you already know the rest of the story...


Well better get wrenching on the bird. Anyone going to the Owatonna Mn fun fly? Last year it was really fun. No moon good night flying

-Cody

"The ability for man to communicate is direct proportion to the speed of their cicuit."
Hayden H.
08-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
crashguru
Heliman
Location: Richardson,TX,USA

Check United Agency. They specialize in Video and Film production insurance. They are based in CA. Call Nick Latshaw at 1800-800-5880.
08-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

Dr. Fibinotchi ...

I saw a picture of the heli in the paper, so I know it was a heli

I'm gonna be at the Owatonna funfly... promises to be a good one!
08-21-2003 Over year old.
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Dr. Fibinotchi
Key Veteran
Location: Sioux Falls SD

Update

Sorry I could not make it to MN I really wanted to go again this year, but I went to Omaha Ne to help promote the hobby with many of the flyers in NE in a sort of quasi fun fly near a fair, as well as work on my bird. Lots and lots of helis there with many people watching and asking questions. higher people on the food chain where interested as well .



"Check United Agency. They specialize in Video and Film production insurance. They are based in CA. Call Nick Latshaw at 1800-800-5880"


I talked with Nick Friday on the phone while I was at the mall looking for some more work clothes. It seems a couple of you already spoke with him. I was #3 on the list in two days. He was asking if I used the co pilot 'auto leveling device' and running a duel power supply. I was very glad to hear others calling him where using it. At any rate he said more than likelly 5k a year for liability is very possible and that he would send a request out for if any companies would write for this then go over safety record, type of use, etc.

I have not been called back from the company in Co. well see next week.
08-24-2003 Over year old.
 
 
daggit
Elite Veteran
Location: Waseca MN

sorry you couldn't make it, was a good time though very windy today but that don't stop the camera ship
check ORRO pic thread
08-24-2003 Over year old.
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