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Aerial Photography and Video > Are you good enough to fly for Flying Cam ?

efliernz
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand

It is so hard reading the accent posts without it automatically sounding right in your head... Sort of like seeing "happy birthday to you... happy birthday to you" and trying not to sing it in your head!!!

Great video work no matter how you see it. I showed my wife the clip last night - where she muttered "I think we will stick to stills for a while...". No sense of adventure!!!

Pete, Trex500, Trex600E, Streched 600, DSX9, DX7, Low-volt alarms - check the gallery for my alarms

11-04-2008 11:14 PM

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xfc3dcd
Senior Heliman
Location: West Carrollton, Ohio usa

to be just like flyingcam all you need is.
$$$$$$$$$$
a vibe free heli (equivalent to a joker, bergen observer E, Trex700, etc.)
good flying skills
good camera operator
a good camera gimbal (you can find a few advertised right here on RR)
a carvec/profi
a good Camera and the knowledge to use it
good post production
tack / Trackhead on a few years of experience
figure out how to sell your service
and you pretty much their

...oh dont forget a slick looking ball camera housing for your gimbal and a nice body and paint scheme for the heli.

Simple. Right?[quote]

I haven't seen any Flying Cam shots so far that that would actually "require" a carvec/profi or other stabilization system.

Wendell

11-05-2008 01:48 AM

gjestico
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

Why are you guys so sure they are using a carvec-like electronic stabilizer ? I see a good 'ol flybar and some big flybar weights on it. Maybe they just use their thumbs on those sticks there.....

11-05-2008 01:50 AM

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GauchoVolador
Senior Heliman
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

speaking about funny foreign accents

and no stabilization devices.....

Un Gran Saludo a Todos!

11-05-2008 01:55 AM

Vortex Aerial
Veteran
Location: Huntington Beach Ca

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and no stabilization devices.....

Really !

Wow, thats very impressive especially at the altitudes the video showed.

11-05-2008 02:03 AM

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chris24g
Senior Heliman
Location: Hayward, CA

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Why are you guys so sure they are using a carvec-like electronic stabilizer

They designed and developed their own electronic stabilization system.

11-05-2008 02:20 AM

efliernz
Senior Heliman
Location: Hamilton, New Zealand

At 100K a day, I probably would too

Pete, Trex500, Trex600E, Streched 600, DSX9, DX7, Low-volt alarms - check the gallery for my alarms

11-05-2008 02:35 AM

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chris24g
Senior Heliman
Location: Hayward, CA

i doubt they get 100k a day, 100k most likely includes all the other production costs for the day.

11-05-2008 02:42 AM

GauchoVolador
Senior Heliman
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina

I don't see any clue of a stabilization system in the John Deere video or any of the other videos in their gallery, that kind of precise flying is all down to gifted fingers and lots of pre-pro and rehearsal. They've probably developed some kind of autonomous system cause they ve got the means and the right contacts but i doubt they use it for every day shooting otherwise explain me the so publicized "pilot in relay operation". Hardware is still far from offering that finesse of flying.

Un Gran Saludo a Todos!

11-05-2008 03:00 AM

trackhead
Key Veteran
Location: utah

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i doubt they get 100k a day, 100k most likely includes all the other production costs for the day.

I was called by a company in Utah to bid on a job that FlyingCam bid on. The quote they gave said company was no where near 100k.

FlyingCam doesn't walk on water or have some mysterious magic, they fly helicopters like the rest of us, but perhaps with a broader skill set for smooth video and years of experience developing their entire production process.

They also fly for companies who have a budget to make the production something worth watching. And they have a budget to take the time to make the shot right. As in, shooting it in the right light, best conditions, etc, etc. Again, not flying around the RC field with the FlyCamOne strapped to the belly of a helicopter.

11-05-2008 03:04 AM

chris24g
Senior Heliman
Location: Hayward, CA

Flying Cam doesn't have an autonomous system (a company that was known as CopterVision had that), Flying Cam has developed a proprietary stabilization system, obviously not for sale.

CopterVision developed an autonomous system where you could set waypoints in software and the heli would navigate the course using gps. They got bought by a military hardware company (hmm, wonder why)

11-05-2008 03:05 AM

Vortex Aerial
Veteran
Location: Huntington Beach Ca

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I was called by a company in Utah to bid on a job that FlyingCam bid on. The quote they gave said company was no where near 100k.

Same here. A producer in a near by county used them a number of times for somewhere in the neighborhood of triple what i bid. (wich wasnt a whole lot

)

100K...no way

11-05-2008 03:10 AM

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gjestico
Senior Heliman
Location: Vancouver, B.C.

I have heard a couple of numbers from local producers in the film industry (Hollywood North) about Flying Cams rates. One was $10K a day and the other was $50K for 3 days.

11-05-2008 04:23 AM

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tabbytabb
Elite Veteran
Location: seattle

Flying-Cam does have an autonomous system on some of their helis but I highly doubt they are using GPS waypoints for filming. As I recall they were doing some collaboration with NASA? The GPS guidance systems that I have seen are no where near smooth enough for this type of work.

They very well could use an inertial based stabilization that would definitely help though.

I think their current going rate is 15K per day, but with the current economy who knows maybe you can get them for 12

Edit-here is the link:

http://www.flying-cam.com/index.php...8d6b913152d1769

Tabb

11-05-2008 05:12 AM

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CJames
Elite Veteran
Location: Back in KC

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Why are you guys so sure they are using a carvec-like electronic stabilizer ? I see a good 'ol flybar and some big flybar weights on it. Maybe they just use their thumbs on those sticks there.....

Some of you before you comment really need to read All the posts

Page 1 of this thread...
They designed their own flight stablization system.
http://www.mathworks.com/company/us...story11424.html
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Flying-Cam has developed an advanced autopilot control system that simplifies remote helicopter control and enables better image stability.

"We developed a sophisticated autopilot control system with MathWorks tools that enables novices to perform basic flight with only minutes of training and allows our skilled pilots to perform extremely difficult maneuvers," explains Dr. Marco La Civita, developer and director of technology innovation at Flying-Cam.
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So their flying skills really aren't that impressive considering they are using a stabilization device on the heli.

But the choice of shots , angles, places to shoot from ect.... Thats impressive!

Anyone want a pet rabbit?.............I found him on the road dead and I'm tired of hugging him

11-05-2008 05:26 AM

trackhead
Key Veteran
Location: utah

If I was FlyingCam, I'd most certainly be laughing my ass off reading this thread as I looked down on the petty, grovelling nimbwits trying to claw their way to stardom.

I'm a nimbwit.

11-05-2008 05:31 AM

jascamera
Veteran
Location: brooklyn, NY

One thing that most of us don't have much experience with is shooting 35mm film and own a custom mini camera that cost $20,000 plus. When ever a project requires 35mm film, you can ask a much higher price and client are much more welling to pay for it. So, 10K is very reasonable.

Hope, in a few years, digital video camera can replace film. Like digital camera is replacing film, even for the most discriminating commercial projects.

11-05-2008 08:39 AM

jhamlinjr
Key Veteran
Location: Milledgeville, GA, United States

^^Its okay track, I am too.

Carry on Copterworks!!!

PS.. Nice thread Vortex by the way.

11-05-2008 01:36 PM

aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

Derek, you took the words right out of my mouth.....but you seemed to have lost your accent!