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e-E-Sky Honey Bee- Lama- Belt CP- E-Smart > Mushy Belt Cp Head....Help!!!
 
 
Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

I have a stock Belt CP w/ stock transmitter. Why is there such limited travel of the swash plate? Is it because of the the transmitter or is it the servos? During flight I feel the head is extremely "Mushy" and I am going to the extremes of my transmitter trying to get the thing to move to the left or the right.... Please Help!!!
10-29-2008 09:02 AM
 
 
shizack
Key Veteran
Location: Augusta, GA USA

Pull outward on the blade grips. Any in/out free play? If so, you need to tighten the nuts on the feathering shaft.

Make sure your flybar paddles are as close to perfectly level as you can get them in relation to the flybar control arms.

Now check the dampers. This is a video I made a while back when a couple of guys were having similar issues. If it feels real squishy, it's time to replace the dampers/O-rings.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXSC2Xy7E-U

The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.
10-29-2008 10:45 AM
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Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

I am aware of the tightness of the rotorhead...But, I am refering to the movement of the swashplate. I think that it should move more than what it does.. It seems very limited... I think that this is ridiculous!!! Help...
10-29-2008 04:16 PM
 
 
yellowaircraft
Senior Heliman
Location: Bodrum, Turkey

With the stock Tx there is nothing you can do about it.
Sorry

what a man can do, another can do...
10-29-2008 05:04 PM
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Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

all right I have an older RD6000 airtronics radio, if I switch out the stock radio for the airtronics, do I have to switch out the receiver as well??? Last time I used this radio I lost my Caliber 30... Damn thing started flying on it's own and I lost it forever, never to be found...very heartbreaking!!! When I lost that heli I used a futaba receiver w/ airtronics crystal... I'm still not sure if this had something to do with me losing the heli...please advise!!!
10-29-2008 05:40 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Hashbrown, I believe Airtronics and JR radio systems are positive shift and Futaba, Hitec, Eflite and Esky are Negative shift receivers. If you use your Airtronics TX make sure your receiver and crystal are compatable and comunicate with each other or you'll have another "fly away" heli
10-29-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
Melnic
Veteran
Location: Columbia, MD,USA

If your headspeed is really low, it can be 'sluggish'. Higher headspeed means smaller movements on the swash yeild faster response.
That can cause what you describe.(And no, don't expect the pitch to be right out of the box on an RTF Belt CP)

I did not use the stock radio on my Belt CP more than I think 5 flights till I started using my Futaba Tx w/ it. I did not touch the pitch/throttle trims. Are your knobs centered?

If your pitch curve is too positive, then your going to acheive hover at too low of a pitch.

Can you verify your pitch settings?
Disconnect motor (mark them first).
Set idle up.
Check that your pitch at min collective, center collective and max collective are -10, 0, +10 (-9,0,+9 is ok as well).

I ordered the Belt w/ the same frequency as my Futaba Tx so I did not have to change my xtal. I have 3 esky Rxs using w/ my futaba Tx Super 8U on small fixed wing planes.

I believe that the Esky Rx's are single conversion Receivers that are Futaba compatible.

TT Raptor30V1 &e550
Exceed Blueray 450&G2
Esky BeltCP
GauiEP100
10-29-2008 06:39 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

The stock o-ring dampeners have to go. Use Doug's idea of windshield washer hose cut into donuts and replace the soft stock system.
10-29-2008 07:33 PM
 
 
Melnic
Veteran
Location: Columbia, MD,USA

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The stock o-ring dampeners have to go. Use Doug's idea of windshield washer hose cut into donuts and replace the soft stock system.

Never tried this mod. guess it's good but don't you think his problem is probably something basic?

TT Raptor30V1 &e550
Exceed Blueray 450&G2
Esky BeltCP
GauiEP100
10-29-2008 07:52 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Really Mushy dampners will make for a really mushy, sluggish head. Stiffer dampners would be worth a try, it may be as simple as that or maybe not. I never had a Belt-cp but I had a King 2 and both use almost the same head and used nothing but the stock transmitter. The travel and throws where pretty adaquate IMO. I've seen alot of Belt-CP videos utilizing the stock tranmitter and they all seemed to be pretty responsive. Try stiffer dampning combined with a higher headspeed and see what happens.
10-29-2008 08:41 PM
 
 
Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

I will do... Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
10-29-2008 10:45 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

I'd say that fairly stiff to really stiff head dampening is important and basic. In other words if all stock components (pretty cheap stuff) on a Belt CP or a Honey Bee King II are working fine, the weak link to soft & weak cyclic control is going to be the soft o-ring dampeners. Even worse if they are worn out. Try any other system that is made from a harder material and you'll be shocked at first. Then you'll look for an even harder material. I'd recommend this after you can hover. If you change them before you can at least hover learning will be more difficult.
10-29-2008 10:56 PM
 
 
Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

My headspeed is high I'm flying it in idle-up!!! I'm sure it doesn't get much faster than it is, other than changing the pinion gear. I'm not sure I understand "use windshield washer hose" ????
10-29-2008 11:10 PM
 
 
Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

all right, I know what windshield washer hose is....Thanks to Google...
10-29-2008 11:21 PM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

This is Dougs RC's discovery. He has found that windshield washer hose available at most auto parts stores cut into slices of donuts and installed in place of the stock rubber o-rings stiffens the head. This hose measures approx. 7/32" o.d. and 1/8" i.d. The stiffening of the dampening system gives the pilot better cyclic control of the model (forward-backward-left-right). In other words less mushy-ness in the cyclic control. I use a different product than the rubber hose. I explain further in my 'Back to mostly stock Belt CP' topic currently on the first page of the Esky Forum.
10-29-2008 11:48 PM
 
 
Hashbrown6
New Heliman
Location: Alexandria, VA- USA

Bob Who?

Thanks, adding the "hose dampers" really made the head tight!!! I could definitely tell the difference...

I still would like more movement in the swashplate...I'm thinking of going to the direct CCPM mod???
11-02-2008 04:48 AM
 
 
dan the man
Senior Heliman
Location: Dorval, Quebec - Canada

You could try some lighter blades and paddles such as align pro woodies and heli max axe cp paddles. They made a huge difference for me. Your LHS will probably have these.

A comp tx is the best upgrade you can get though, it allows you to run more pitch and a higher headspeed.
11-02-2008 05:21 AM
 
 
Gregor99
Elite Veteran
Location: Western Wa

Don't worry about how much the swash moves. You need a computer radio to max it out anyway. If you are concerned that the swash isn't moving enough, check the blaede pitch with a pitch gauge, both with the collective and the cyclic. The Esky head doesn't allow ton of pitch before it starts binding. For that you'll need a head in blue

Canton MO backyard flying club
West Coast Chapter
11-02-2008 05:25 AM
 
 
BOB WHO?
Senior Heliman
Location: downey, ca., usa

Hashbrown
Look at the Belt CP as a trainer. It does not 3D well or crash well. It can be made to fly well though. Use it as a tool to learn to fly. I upgraded everything with high end stuff except the stock BL Esky motor. If I had it to do over again I would add the following instead of what I did; 1) a cheap Head Lock gyro like a 'telebee' ($60) 2) When you damage a stock servo, change them all out. Anything will be better than the esky servos. Go to Hobbyking.com and look at the HXT900 or HS-55s or if you have to spend more, HS-56s 3) The stock esc will not last long. Don't get a castle creations, just get any well priced 35 amp esc 4) forget the metal upgrades (except maybe a metal swashplate) the esky metal stuff is junk. Do not expect this model to become a Mini or a Trex. It just will NOT become a premium product no matter what you do to it. Don't waste your money on upgrades. Keep your modifications to a minimum. When you can fly circles, nose-in, and figure 8's get a premium heli. At that point you'll see the difference. Until you can fly, you might as well be crashing something cheap to fix like A Belt CP. The less you expect out of this thing the more you will like it. If you are serious about the hobby, get a computer radio. Just don't expect any mod or upgrade to make this heli into a $600 to $800 product.
11-02-2008 06:29 AM
 
 
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