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Engines Plugs Mufflers Fuel > How difficult is it to switch fuels!
 
 
BennettOZ
Senior Heliman
Location: Independence, OR

With the Price of 30% fuel still nearly 10$ more than I used to pay only a few years ago. I have been thinking about going from 30% to 15% heli fuel. How hard is it to switch from 30% to 15% after you have broken in your well running 50's and 30's engines on 30% fuel.

I really hope that we see a drop a little more in price per gallon, I would like to see the cost come down to 20$ a gallon.

Whats everyone opinion on this?
10-18-2008 08:19 PM
 
 
MoneyPitVictim
Veteran
Location: Dayton, Ohio

Have you been reading the other posts on this section?

I suggest you do.

My biggest advice is that if you dont consider yourself a good "good engine tunner" get someome that IS to give you a hand tunning to whichever fuel you choose, and learn from it.

and yes, read the other recent posts on this section, Engines, plugs, mufflers and fuel.

Santiago
10-18-2008 09:03 PM
 
 
BennettOZ
Senior Heliman
Location: Independence, OR

My biggest advice is that if you dont consider yourself a good "good engine tunner" get someome that IS to give you a hand tunning to whichever fuel you choose, and learn from it.[quote]

I don't recall mentioning that I was a "good engine tunner" I would like you to show me where I mentioned that I was? that would be great!

I used the search tool and didn't find a thread about it.

Maybe you shouldn't be such a dick!
10-18-2008 09:12 PM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

I was running CoolPower 30% and WildCat CY 30% and went to CoolPower 20% and it was just a few clicks leaner. Now I have never been able to get CoolPower 15% (Heli) and WildCat 15% (Plane version) to run that well.

If you can find 20% give it a try. it is alot cheaper in most places and it tuned well for me. Around me CY30% and CoolPower 30% is $39 a gallon I was able to pick up the 15%'s for about $20 each. I am still running IRCHA fuel now so I have not tried to find 20% local, I still have another 4 gallons left.
10-18-2008 09:14 PM
 
 
BennettOZ
Senior Heliman
Location: Independence, OR

Thanks for your post Mr.hillbilly! I really appreciate it. I will see what I can find in the 20% range. I know my local hobby shop doesn't have it, I might have to make a trip into the big city.

Thanks
10-18-2008 09:32 PM
 
 
airdodger
Elite Veteran
Location: Johnston USA

Just put in switching fuels, check partial name, three pages should show up.

Chris
10-19-2008 01:20 AM
 
 
Pinecone
Key Veteran
Location: Maryalnd

Hmm, I didn't read his post as saying that you were or were not a "good engine tuner." Just giving advice that if you aren't, get someone who is. The corollary being, if you are, you can handle it.

My rule of thumb is for any major change, richen the needles a bit and work back to the proper tune. This prevents the change causing a lean run and toasting your engine.

Terry
Blade CP
Trex 450 SE
QJ EP8v2 EX
Gaui Hurricane 550
Vibe 50
10-19-2008 03:03 AM
 
 
MoneyPitVictim
Veteran
Location: Dayton, Ohio

Thank you Pinecone,

I was not trying to be derogative.
Engine tuning, especially on helicopters has a lot to do with sound. A very experienced person can help you with the direction on where to go with your needles.

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My rule of thumb is for any major change, richen the needles a bit and work back to the proper tune. This prevents the change causing a lean run and toasting your engine.

That would be my approach. Close the needles a tiny bit a the time until you get a nice steady note from the exhaust. Check the temperature while the engine is idling in between adjustments.

Things to remember:
Do not run plank 15% fuel on the engine, not enough oil.
If you switch fuel brands, be ready for a possible big change in needles, different oils make the engines act/tune differently.

Obviously 15% nitro will make less power than the 30%, as others wrote the needles are normally leaner, but stick with going always from rich to lean.

If you notice the engine loads up (blurbs) when you transition from, idle to mid, or from mid to high, but it clears out eventually, AND you cant turn the needles any leaner without overheating the engine, then try a hotter plug, like an OS A3 or an Enya #3, assuming that you are using an OS 8.

As for being called a dick, maybe I earned that for not giving a straight helpful answer. I still recommend highly to seek the help of an engine guru, but in the absence of one, keep at it, keep asking the questions here, and before you know it, you will be helping others.
Good Luck


Santiago
AMA1220
10-20-2008 08:43 PM
 
 
PluckinPheasant
Heliman
Location: Crawley, West Sussex, United Kingdom

Steady boys this is a happy friendly forum no need for taking offence
I would strongly recommend the use of these smilie face people to give some emphasis and emotion to your e-mails

My christian name is Richard, nickname Dick. Now should I be mad??

10-20-2008 10:55 PM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

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If you notice the engine loads up (blurbs) when you transition from, idle to mid, or from mid to high, but it clears out eventually, AND you cant turn the needles any leaner without overheating the engine, then try a hotter plug, like an OS A3 or an Enya #3, assuming that you are using an OS 8..


I will haft to give that a try with the CoolPower 15%. It always acted loaded up and smoking like a train but ran too hot. I have always run OS8's and that may get it.
10-21-2008 03:42 AM
 
 
Dilbeck
Key Veteran
Location: Springdale Arkansas

When I changed to 20% nitro I also went from an OS#8 to an OS#3 and it made a world of differance. I noticed no loss in power over the 30%.

If it doesn't fly sell it!
10-21-2008 01:38 PM
 
 
Pinecone
Key Veteran
Location: Maryalnd

Well a couple of things.

Cool Power 15% heli and 15% plank fuel are the same fuel.

Another thing to try running is swamp water. That is CP 15% and 30A% mixed 50/50. Comes out a brownish color, thus the swamp water name. But cuts the price a good bit, but not the power.

Terry
Blade CP
Trex 450 SE
QJ EP8v2 EX
Gaui Hurricane 550
Vibe 50
10-21-2008 02:06 PM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

My old 32SX would run on the CoolPower 15% good, but everything else I tried OS61, OS70, and YS91ST hated it. My old 32 is so warn out it prob. did not know any better.

What brand is 30A% ? I am always game to try something new.
10-22-2008 03:24 AM
 
 
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