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Aerial Photography and Video > Finally, its here, the new Canon 5D Mk II with full HD
 
 
ActionAP
New Heliman
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

And I thought the Nikon d90 was cool, this thing is amazing! It will do 1080p at 30 fps, autofocus (although slower) in movie mode as well as auto white ballance, honour some shooting presets and record sound in sterio. It even has an external mic jack. You can also lock any of the auto features (like exposure) and shoot all in manual. This would be great for ground shooting. It can push the iso 2 full stops past the previous 5d (I've seen night video that looks amazing) not to mention shoot 21 megapixel stills. I's weather sealed too. They say it is 810 grams without battery so with a light lens it will be ok.
The concept of not even having to land to switch between stills and true HD video is very appealing.
09-18-2008 06:26 AM
 
 
copterstudios
Heliman
Location: California and Nevada

Any idea if the camera will focus with the shutter release in live view mode instead of having to have the lens set to infinity?

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09-18-2008 06:31 AM
 
 
pasi
Heliman
Location: Helsinki - Finland

I dont know is that video thing for me, but I kind a like that idea to change my good old fellow 5D to new version. Better colors, bigger viewfinder and higher iso, thats what I like!

Did you guys look new G10, thats not bad at all on smaller helis... I think someday I want to replace my G9 to that one also... Damn I like too much to spend money!!


ps. about CPS. In Finland I guess it really does not mean anything, but better service on repairs. Only if you are "famous" fotog here or know people in couple major stores you can have it faster... At least one Finnish photog have that already, Not the production one, but those test versions of 5D mkII.
09-18-2008 07:58 AM
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Makiedog
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

Is the video format edit friendly? What kind is it?

Pat L
09-18-2008 02:39 PM
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daytonabeach
Key Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

Its quciktime H.264

Ive tested the camera today, the video part is 95% ready, but they will spend another month finishing the last features, so its not 100% certain how it will be when released in November, just that its getting even better.

The video quality is very impressing, but the only think you can adjust during recording is the exposure... but who knows, maybe they will add more manual features in the last second before release

Other than that, i consider it a great upgrade from the old 5D disregarding the video function, but still you get a pretty good HD video for free, but not a full substitute for a dedicated HD cam, but still way ahead of something else...
Pre order was placed today

By the way, it has max iso on 12800, and not 25600 as stated in press release

G10, forget it, its still noisy above 200 iso, but some improvement over the G9.

The new Powershot SX-1 has the same HD features as the 5D mkII and same format, not AVI as posted in press release.
Didnt have time to test manual settings during recording on that one, but maybe next week..

Never argue with an idiot, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience...
09-18-2008 05:02 PM
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cgalavis
Heliman
Location: Franklin, WI USA

The video feature seem cool enough, but I am a bit concern with the 22.1MP To begin with, I am not sure I really need 22.1, though I can probably get use to being sloppy with the framing since there will be so many cropping options, but think of the size of the files, and uploading and managing this in say Photoshop or Lightroom. I take close to 1000 pictures a month, that means a lot of storage if you are shooting RAW.

All that aside, I would be more excited about the low light capabilities of the new 5D, is it going to be a match for the D3 and D700? Will it be usable at 25,600 ISO? if that is the case, I am buying one in a hurry, if not, well, I may as well keep waiting…

When everybody actually is out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking.
09-18-2008 08:09 PM
 
 
daytonabeach
Key Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

I dont shoot RAW anymore, no need to with this camera and this high res, IMO
You can do ALLOT of editing before the pic starts to crack with this res.

Besides, for the last 50 000 exp or so i still havent been in need for RAW, or regret i didnt...

RAW files on the new 5D stores with 26-27 mb and jpg 16-17mb per file.

The new 5D also shoots at max 12800, not 25600.

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09-18-2008 08:17 PM
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cgalavis
Heliman
Location: Franklin, WI USA

Got you, max ISO = 12,800, I missed in the previous post. RAW is great, you don’t have to shoot in RAW, but it makes life so much easier. Anyhow, this is not the important point. Memory will continue to get cheaper and Microsoft will get 64bit right one of this days, so I consider this to be an annoyance, not a show stopper.

My biggest concern is how well it will perform in low light conditions. My understanding is that Nikon’s decision to pack 12MP in the D3 was to give ultimate low light performance by reducing the pixel density in the sensor, and they sure have delivered on that promise. Canon may have superior technology and thus be able to pack almost twice the number of pixels in the sensor, we’ll soon find out. I would take the low noise at high ISO over the high MPixels any day. Don’t get me wrong, I am a Canon shooter, and have enough invested in it that I will continue to be for a very long time, but I have to admit I have been drooling over that D3 since the day it came out.

When everybody actually is out to get you, paranoia is just good thinking.
09-18-2008 08:47 PM
 
 
trackhead
Key Veteran
Location: utah

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The video quality is very impressing, but the only think you can adjust during recording is the exposure...

So no auto focus change ability while recording? I guess manual focus would obviously be functional.

Hmmm.........if not, it's still a gimmick in a real world sense.
09-18-2008 09:05 PM
 
 
rroback
Elite Veteran
Location: Irvine (UCI), Ca

Like others, I'm not very excited about shooting video. If it works, it might be nice, but I'm looking for better low light performance ( I'd like better auto focusing in low light too), and slightly higher resolution.

Space: big files sizes suck, but if you want top quality, except it. I won't shoot anything but raw on site, and some clients even want large tiffs. I'm going to have to get another terabyte soon....

Rhett... I can't fly, luckily the HC Profi Can!
09-18-2008 10:13 PM
 
 
daytonabeach
Key Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

A far as i remember, you choose the spot you want in focus before you start rec, and it will maintain autofocus there, at least it kept autofocusing quite well during recording.

For manual you simple switch of the autofocus on the lens and use your hands like you do for the regular slr use, it was demoed with the Canon 85L lens, thats a mean lens, and the good thing is that you can of course use the same lenses for both stills and videos.
But im also certain they COULD, if they wanted to, pack it full of the same features that a dedicated HD cam has, but i think that would be a later model called 5D mkIII ;-)
Remember, they are already a big step ahead of Nikon (once again) and would probably save the goodies for the next round...

But as i mentioned earlier, i consider this a great upgrade on the 5D itself, along with a pretty good HD feature for "snap" shooting or when you wish you had your HD cam with you, and still are able to shoot pretty good stuff with it, and the price arent even higher than it probably would have cost without the HD feature

Rhett, a couple of times a year i do a clean out from my 6 hard drives, delete the stuff i dont need, and burn the more important stuff to dvds, then i usually gain 50% extra space on the drives again, and i always double the backup of course, but im saving for a cool noiseless raid system;
http://www.g-technology.com/Products/G-SAFE.cfm

By the way, USB 3 is soon available with 10 times faster transfer than usb 2, which means almost 5 GIGABITS per second
And did you also know that you can by 64GB memory card now?

Well, that was this weeks gadget news

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09-18-2008 11:24 PM
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ActionAP
New Heliman
Location: Brisbane, Queensland

Yes it can. There are a few autofocus methods offered in Live view but I think Contrast-detect AF is the only one available during video capture, and it's pretty slow.




"The contrast-detect method doesn't require the camera's mirror to flip down during focusing and allows much more freedom in terms of placing the AF point, but is considerably slower. Using the imaging sensor also allows for more complex focusing operations, such as Face Detection, which is offered as another option".

Still pretty sweet I say.
09-18-2008 11:57 PM
 
 
pasi
Heliman
Location: Helsinki - Finland

I just went thru specs and found out nice feature sRaw1 and sRaw2
RAW • 5616 x 3744 (21.0 MP)
sRaw1 • 3861 x 2574 (10.0 MP)
sRaw2• 2784 x 1856 (5.2 MP)

that 21.0MP is way too much for some jobs.

And I am just wondering about buffer...
• Large/Fine JPEG: 78 frames (310 with UDMA card) *
• RAW: 13 frames *

But how much Raw files it could handle if you shoot sRaw1 or sRaw2?
09-19-2008 09:47 PM
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jeffscholl
Key Veteran
Location: Whitefish, MT

"nice feature sRaw1 and sRaw2"

The smaller RAW files were requested from wedding photographers back with the 1DsMkIII. Wouldn't you kick yourself if you needed a larger files down the road however?

Cheers,
Jeff
09-19-2008 09:51 PM
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daytonabeach
Key Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

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But how much Raw files it could handle if you shoot sRaw1 or sRaw2?

I assume raw2 can shoot twice as much as raw, its mostly all about how much data you can fill the buffer with, and i think the buffer size here is around 300mb...

Just divide file size with 300, and youll get a good perspective on how many...

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09-19-2008 10:04 PM
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lifepak-1
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton

Here is a link to a sample vid of the 5DII:


http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/contro...&articleID=2086
09-23-2008 05:38 AM
 
 
tabbytabb
Elite Veteran
Location: seattle

Looks nice,

Some of the aerials looked good, others a bit shaky


Tabb
09-23-2008 05:43 AM
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rroback
Elite Veteran
Location: Irvine (UCI), Ca

was shot handheld, with a kenyon. not bad, for a photographer

Rhett... I can't fly, luckily the HC Profi Can!
09-23-2008 06:23 AM
 
 
daytonabeach
Key Veteran
Location: Oslo, Norway

It convinces me, and another funny thing i noticed is that he uses the same tune as Derek uses in one of his owns

Anyway, dont know if you are aware of this, but the new Powershot sx-1 also have the same digic4 cmos sensor with same full HD feature which takes the compacts to i much higher level, especially for still, and for a fifth of the price compared to 5DmkII.

I will get to the test one of the first sx-1 beta cameras after Photokina, as they are just in time to finish it for the fair this week...

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09-23-2008 08:41 AM
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pery
Heliman
Location: Sweden

Great!
Good photographers can do it!

In the evening skyline view from the helicopter I assume we see the rolling shutter of the CMOS in action...It can not cope with the vibrations in that scene (just a bit more than halfway through the timeline). Wobbly but maybe mostly shaky.

IF it was a CCD (like some cameras and camcorders have) would that make a difference?

Are all CCD´s global shutter by definition?
09-23-2008 10:05 AM
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