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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > where do you plug in gyro gains
 
 
travco7373
Heliman
Location: edmonton alberta

I have a Raptor 50 dx-7 and ar7000 gy611. I want to do a flybarless setup on it using 2 CSM SL720 gyros but where do I plug in gyro gain plugs? Do I tie them together and use aux2 or do I need a 9 channel radio?
Travis
09-16-2008 08:50 PM
 
 
inkspot1967
rrProfessor
Location: cranston ri.

you need to get a csm cyclock for it

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09-16-2008 09:03 PM
 
 
travco7373
Heliman
Location: edmonton alberta

I think that the CSM cyclock is a controler for 120 degree eccpm like on a vibe. The raptor does not need this for flybarless system.
The v stab unit has controler built in to it for 120 but raptor does not need it. Unless you are saying that the cyclock will controll the gyro gains for me.
Travis
09-16-2008 09:26 PM
 
 
inkspot1967
rrProfessor
Location: cranston ri.

no all heli's with the csm setup need the cyclock

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09-16-2008 09:28 PM
 
 
travco7373
Heliman
Location: edmonton alberta

http://www.rcmodels.org/csm/cyclock1.htm
check this out and I have also found others with raptors that are not using cyclock at all. But I can't find anything on where to put the gyro gain plugs.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631783
This a raptor 90 with 2 sl720 gyros and no cyclock It also states that no cyclock is needed!!!
Travis
09-16-2008 09:37 PM
 
 
eSmith
Veteran
Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Hey Travis, the flybarless settings are in the "Brain" not the Radio, you shouldn't need extra channels like with a Tail Gyro. The settings are programmed via the software and stored directly in the unit.

-eSmith.

http://www.edmheli.ca
09-16-2008 10:17 PM
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travco7373
Heliman
Location: edmonton alberta

Hey Ernie how are you? The seting are in the brains of what the SL720 gyros? So then all I will need to do is get the gyros and all setting are in the PC interface of the gyros. The ar7000 reciever will work fine and no other plugs are needed???
Travis
09-16-2008 10:33 PM
 
 
dave75d
Veteran
Location: Jacksonville, FL

if anyone knows flybarless, its inkspot. take his advice. i promise.

ten grand in helis and all i can do is hover
09-16-2008 11:26 PM
 
 
Royrex
Senior Heliman
Location: TN USA

I have an Xspec with two CSM gyros, no cylock. Flies great!
Just tie the two gains together and plug into aux 2 or other
unused channel.
09-17-2008 12:19 AM
 
 
inkspot1967
rrProfessor
Location: cranston ri.

that may work but its not the right way to do it. the cyclock is the way to go. if not good luck

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09-17-2008 02:18 AM
 
 
gaz-b
Heliman
Location: norfolk uk

I have 3 helis using the csm system any heli with 90o swash such as a raptor does not need a cyclock as long as the swash phasing is 0 on one machine rappy 50 in squirrel fuzz I only had to fit a cyclock when i fitted a 3 blade head to adjust phasing pitch is direct as usual and only use 2 cyclock channels.the gains can be conected together and are used to adjust gain and flight characteristics ie rate & HH mode.a warning be very careful with HH on take off if you carried the heli to the flight line in HH swich to rate and back to level the swash i always take off in rate mode.
09-22-2008 10:33 PM
 
 
travco7373
Heliman
Location: edmonton alberta

Colin from CSM said

As Dave says, my aim is to keep the cost of the system as low as possible. While I would agree that a fully integrated system would be the neatest solution, e flybar is still in its infancy and the current approach of using separate units has many advantages:-

The mixer is low cost and applicable to a flybar equipped ccpm heli so does not constitute a big investment to the pilot wishing to try flybarless. For someone wishing to go flybarless on a non CCPM heli (say Raptor 50) they don't even need to have a mixer! Likewise, although two 720s is not an inconsiderable investment they are applicable to the tail so someone deciding that flybarless is not for them can re-deploy them on the tail of their helis or sell them on to others for that use.

Because the main rotor has considerably greater natural damping than the tail it is not as reliant on servo speed for a satisfactory electronic control system. Indeed, we are finding that the facilities designed into the 720 gyro to allow it to provide accurate control of the tail are (with just changes to the settings) well up to the job of controlling the cyclics.

Best regards

Colin
09-23-2008 09:15 PM
 
 
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