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Beginners Corner > First NON coaxial Heli? What do u recommend around $150-200 range
 
 
rock8899
New Heliman
Location: ON, Canada

I am not going to be some crazy flyer I have a Cx2 now and like it can never fly it outside there is always to much wind 1/10 days i can fly it before dusk.

I am thinking to spend around $150 and was thinking on starting with a used or new Honey Bee KingII cost is about $105 http://bphobbies.com/

since it is low end is there a better heli that people think would be better? i originally was thinking cp Pro but after much reading i am not thinking KingI I
i would like something that is cheap to repair and pretty stable and this is what cp pro is NOT i have learn. Reading tells me the KingII would be better in both.

Looking for advice and recommendations Please


Ryan
09-16-2008 06:57 PM
 
 
Skarn
Veteran
Location: Pasadena, MD

Honestly, any of the small twitchy micro heli's are going to be very hard to learn on. And if flying outside in the wind is something you want, again they are not very good for that. You will find those that swear by the cheap micro's but in the long run you'd be better served by saving up your money and getting something at least in the 450 size class. Can you learn on a small micro? Sure, but you better have a ton of patience and time and learn how to build/rebuild.

But with that said, the King II is not a bad heli....once upgraded. The stock motor sucks and WILL burn out very quickly. You'll need the brushless upgrade. What the King has going for it over the CP Pro is a belt driven tail. Do NOT get a motor driven tail...it's a hassle!

Seriously though, $150 is a very small amount of money for this hobby. Think about it....your Blade CX2 cost more than that right? I'd personally recommend you save up and get a 450 size heli and practice on a sim in the meantime.

Good luck!
Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
09-16-2008 07:54 PM
 
 
rock8899
New Heliman
Location: ON, Canada

thanks

that is the issue i cant justify spending that much. i can fly the cx2 outside, it just limits the amount of times that i can fly outside because it can andle so little wind

wondering are collective that much different than coaxials to fly? i assume i will have the basics once i go to collective.

If i can fly a cx2 outside and enjoy it will a KING II or III not be that much more powerful and more enjoyable?

I dont think i will ever want to go 3D
09-16-2008 08:21 PM
 
 
dave75d
Veteran
Location: Jacksonville, FL

i used to say the same thing. thousands of dollars later, i still cant get enough. you probably wont stay in the hobby if you get a junk heli. spend the money here on RR and get somebodys used stuff, learn on that, and if you dont think you'll stay with it, resell it here and get most of your money back. at least buying used, you wont take the initial depreciation, and can resell it at a small loss.

ten grand in helis and all i can do is hover
09-16-2008 08:38 PM
 
 
Skarn
Veteran
Location: Pasadena, MD

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wondering are collective that much different than coaxials to fly? i assume i will have the basics once i go to collective.

Absolutely different! I could fly my CX all over the house and land on a coaster within a few days of owning it. But it took me about 6 months to simply be able to have a stable over with my Blade CP! But once I got a Trex 450, within 20 flights I was was doing loops and rolls! The coaxial experience will NOT help you with hovering one bit since they basically hover themselves....it will however help with orientation to a point.

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If i can fly a cx2 outside and enjoy it will a KING II or III not be that much more powerful and more enjoyable?

Yes, the King II is a very capable heli that can fly outside better than the CX2. However, it is still a small micro heli that you will have a hard time learning on. It can be done...just follow Radd's School of Rotary flight and DEFINITELY get a simulator!

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I dont think i will ever want to go 3D

LOL! I used to say that too....my exact words were "I'll be happy to simply be able to fly my heli around with control...". Well like I said after 20 flights on my trex I was doing basic acrobatics....it's an addiction!

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
09-16-2008 08:45 PM
 
 
Smacka
Heliman
Location: Weedville, PA

I am puzzled as to why you think you can get a heli better than the Cx2 for $150?!?!?!?!

The CX2 cost $189.00 everywhere you go.

Please clear up my confusion here?

Thanks,
Smacka

Have Fun, Smacka
09-19-2008 11:06 PM
 
 
JB642
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI - USA

Blade 400 ready to fly is an OK choice ($400-470 depending on where you buy it). Otherwise consider buying RealFlight G4 simulator while you save up for a TRex (or equivalent) 450 size electric or maybe a 30/50 size gas heli (depending on what flying area you have available). As previously mentioned, all the $150-200 micros are "squirrelly".

JB
09-20-2008 01:24 AM
 
 
flarejet
Heliman
Location: milton-freewater, OR-USA

Don't got for trex 450's they are to much.
09-20-2008 04:35 AM
 
 
JB642
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI - USA

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Trex 450SA for as low as 179.99 through ebay with motor and ESC

You still need 4 servos and a gyro - probably another $200 (or more!!) depending on what you put in it!!

JB
09-20-2008 04:39 AM
 
 
whoamis
Heliman
Location: san francisco, ca

One logical next move after CX2 is the Honeybee FP. You can definitely learn to fly on that but:

- it isn't good in wind either, but at least you can pick up speed without just tipping over. I flew mine a lot at night under the patio lights.

- it really, really helps to have a local hobby shop with parts, and the only one (of *many* around here) is > 30min from my house.

Robust little beast... I broke a lot of head parts, but they are pretty cheap compared to t-rex blades/flybars/worse.

RCGroups is kind of the mating ground for HBFP people; the main threads are hugely long, and all about hopping it up.

Don't hop it up, save for the t-rex, or whatever is the hot heli with local parts support.

But HBFP, Phoenix, and a Cellpro 4s and a handful of cheapo Mystery batteries served me well, and the charger is still pumping my trex.
09-20-2008 06:44 AM
 
 
Mutt
Key Veteran
Location: t ca usa

save up buy a decent heli. Your just wasiting your money on them 100 to 150 dollar junks.

"ANNOY A LIBERAL".... "QUIT YOUR JOB SO YOU DONT PAY TAXES"
09-20-2008 07:19 PM
 
 
30636086
Veteran
Location: Tacoma, WA

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save up buy a decent heli. Your just wasiting your money on them 100 to 150 dollar junks.

I second that!! That will be the best way to go!! Instead of spending money over and over fixing or upgrading!!

I don't suffer from Mental illnesses; I actually enjoy mine!
09-20-2008 08:09 PM
 
 
flarejet
Heliman
Location: milton-freewater, OR-USA

Getting a trex 450SA was just a suggestion that I guess didn't count for much.
09-20-2008 08:23 PM
 
 
JB642
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI - USA

I second your opinion Mutt !!

flarejet - TRex SA is a good helicopter for the next step.

FYI - I have a Blade 400, an MX400 and a TRex 450SE and each has good points and bad.

You certainly don't need to buy the high end TRex 450SE when getting started. You will need to spend approx $600-700 to get a TRex flying if you don't have anything yet (not including tools!):

TRexSA and ESC/motor Approx $180-200
4 servos and gyro $100-200
radio system TX/RX $200-250 (maybe less if going for 72 Mhz)
decent battery $50-70 (2 preferred or more?)
charger $50-200

Ready to fly TRex Total $580-920

That's why the Blade 400 is a reasonable next step ($400-470 Ready To Fly), in my opinion.

So rock8899, there's the basic cost info for you to get something decent as others have recommended. Like I said earlier, $150-200 will get you a decent sim while you save to get the above. This is not an inexpensive hobby (and very addictive once you get bitten)!!

JB
09-20-2008 10:09 PM
 
 
rock8899
New Heliman
Location: ON, Canada

thanks

i appreciate all the post with dont waste your money on $150 crap

put i am not willing to BLOW 500+ on a heli when i need to learn.
i totally understand i should spend that much but i choose not to spend that much on a heli i have other priorities.

so to be blunt to all the TREX lovers i will be choosing a BeltCP, King II or III or honey Bee CP2

so if i am going to choose of three I would love to hear from you guys about these three choices

I appreciate the GET a TREX but that is not going to happen at this point.
ryan
09-21-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
Tyler
Key Veteran
Location: Chicagoland area

Cypher 3D

The cypher 3D is a great little helicopter that is extremely stable, 95% built, and can be had at a fantastic bargain. Check with Ron Lund at Heliprozsouth @ ronlund.com. Ron was offering a killer package deal with an 8 channel 2.4ghz radio system.

I have had several micro helicopters:

T-rex
T-rex SE v2
Honey Bee King2
Gazuar Poseidon
Blade CP
Blade CP pro

And, I have flown and worked on many others:

Blade 400
Shoguns
Mini Titan

I honestly believe the Cypher 3D offers the best bang for the buck in a stable little helicopter than can be big time 3D right out of the box with not a single upgrade. This helicopter doesn't get enough press, which is an absolute shame.

With some help from an experienced pilot the Cypher can fly great with little effort. I'd start with wood blades and then work you way up to carbon blades after you master fast forward flight and basic aerobatics. The carbon blades do make a tremendous difference.

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTVkC_z2Wpc

I realize this is a 3D flight, and you are not looking for 3D, but I can assure you that this heli can be set up very mild, smooth, and rock solid with managable headspeeds. The Cypher is stable naturally, but can easily be a 3D machine if one wishes. Don't assume it is a hardcore monster that is harm to tone down.

Tyler

Airtronics, YS Power, Switchglo ignitors, Jersey Modeler filled with Magnum
09-21-2008 04:32 AM
 
 
30636086
Veteran
Location: Tacoma, WA

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I am thinking to spend around $150
where is he going to find a trex for $150?? he may be able to get a kit for that much! and then what? it be a nice ornament until he get more $ to get the rest of the electronics!!!

I think either he get a simulator and can practice for days to come(if doesn't have one) or the best bet is keep saving!!! My .02!

I don't suffer from Mental illnesses; I actually enjoy mine!
09-21-2008 05:13 AM
 
 
30636086
Veteran
Location: Tacoma, WA

Do you have a silmulator?

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i appreciate all the post with don't waste your money on $150 crap

put i am not willing to BLOW 500+ on a heli when i need to learn.

if you don't have a SIM get one! it will save you $$$ while you learn! and the good thing about it, it don't matter how is the weather outside, you still have your SIM to fly! and practice!

I don't suffer from Mental illnesses; I actually enjoy mine!
09-21-2008 05:17 AM
 
 
JB642
Senior Heliman
Location: Waterford, MI - USA

Yo rock8899

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so to be blunt to all the TREX lovers

Go back and read the posts!! You have been given a lot of good advise (that I wish I had received at your stage in this hobby). Great way to insult the people you asked to help you!! You have been given a lot more than "TREX LOVER" info!!

JB
09-21-2008 11:29 PM
 
 
flarejet
Heliman
Location: milton-freewater, OR-USA

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so to be blunt to all the TREX lovers


I was giving some free advice. I had a shogun and couldn't for the life of me get it to stay in the air longer then 5 secs even with the hundreds of dollors I was putting into it. Then I got a trex and I was able to fly it. Take the advice or don't but please DON'T bash the people that love this little helicopter.

It might be more then some but its far better then most.
09-21-2008 11:48 PM
 
 
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