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Dino Spadaccini
Key Veteran
Location: USA

smoke

look if any of you people fly at the national level you all know that the smoke factor is in place and the oil content will come down in the fuel there is a fuel company and a major manuf out there flying helis with 14% oil with no problem the nitro is higher and we all know that the motor runs cool with more methanol to burn anyway think about that and buy the what the motor size was a 60. class and up and the motors are a ys .80 and os 60.wc and if you have ever seen the raptor reps fly thay all us low oil fuel even the japan rep

Team Thunder Tiger
Team Futaba
CY Enterprises
Morgan fuel
Rev max
TEAM MAPTERGY
02-27-2002 02:49 PM
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z11355
rrMaster
Location: 10000 is enough time wasted.

and what about the other 99.5% of the pilot
population that doesn't fly at the national level.

Where do we go to buy low oil fuel and what
do we say to Hobby Services (since I actually pay for my motors) when a warranty
claim is denied cause we didn't follow the CYA too much oil content
instructions that came w/ the engine?

Since, IMO, Morgan is the worst offender, I
don't see them making any moves toward
a new formula.

I recently had a cop stop by the field on a
'smoke' complaint from a neighbor (CP30/YS STII)
02-27-2002 03:01 PM
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J Kramer
Heliman
Location: Brownsburg Indiana

Z11355, you have a very good point. I would say that 90% of the flyers have more upgrades on there heli's than they need. Just like the Gy501/401 issue, you could take the 90% that are running them and if you could slip a Telebee in the machine over night they would never notice it. It is that way in most RC hobby sports. Cars for an example, you see guys with the mega buck engine and could not keep it on the track if they had a.049 for power. Computers are the same way, 95%of US have more power than what we need.
02-27-2002 03:27 PM
 
 
Dino Spadaccini
Key Veteran
Location: USA

z11355 good point

ok so i do not fly at the natioal level i i feel i fly hard as i can when i do anyway on the oil subject wildcat is working on a low oil fuel and ys is helping them on the cp issue and the ys80 have one in my vigor and when i tryed cp the smoke was so bad at a 10ft hover i would lose the heli after a 20 sec hover and the needles are set wright when i spoke to jerry at wildcat he told me all about the test and how ys loves what they see with the fuel and how the motors are running so what am i saying simply the best and if you dont feel that way its fine. one more thing cp will before to change there fuel do to new stardards that are will in place for 2002/2003 and i buy my own fuel and motors like the rest of the people out there i fly because i love to PS you all know that cp tacks on a few dollers to each gal for us to pay so that they can give there fuel away to there sponesered fly

Team Thunder Tiger
Team Futaba
CY Enterprises
Morgan fuel
Rev max
TEAM MAPTERGY
02-27-2002 08:08 PM
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Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

I allways ran CP 30, I tried the( WC 4 gals worth) , I could not make motors to run as smooth or sound as good as they did on the CP30

so I'm back to the CP30.

McKoi
03-18-2002 01:26 PM
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

ok so how many gallons is considered breck in???
Huummmm lets see 4 gallons on a .30 that's approx 15 tanks /flights per gallon x 4gals = 60 flights! x 12mins per flight that's 720 mins of run time and still not broken in????????

hummm maybe I sould have got another case and to give it some more break in time?
03-18-2002 02:20 PM
 
 
Rchover
Key Veteran
Location: Helping Customers!

I'm with Dave on this one !!!!

top pilots use what works best and engine performance / FUEL is really important!!!


CP30 ROX!!!!!!!!!

McKoi
03-18-2002 02:45 PM
 
 
Bill F
Senior Heliman
Location: Hillsboro NH

Where to buy???

Where is a good place to buy wildcat fuel? The Lhs here will not order heli fuel he only carries plank fuel. I bought a gallon of CP 15% at another hobby shop but that was a long drive from where I am.
-Bill
03-18-2002 02:48 PM
 
 
winger
Senior Heliman
Location: Indiana

To Bill F on Ordering Fuel

My LHS doesn't stock heli fuel either. But she will order me what I want, when she places her normal fuel order. I use Wildcat which is distributed through Great Planes(on Sale). I just paid $18 per gallon. I just picked up my 2 cases of Wildcat 30%.

I don't know why any LHS wouldn't order fuel for you. Especially with Great Planes being the Distributor.
Money is Money! I think your's would spend just as good as anyone else's.

Regards
Winger
03-18-2002 03:16 PM
 
 
SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

I'd need to disagree with DavidH on this one. If I got Coolpower 100% free then I would sure the hell use it. Its good fuel, its not like your putting saltwater in the tank. But I need to pay for my fuel so I look at the merits to choose mine. Like others have said, the top dogs can fly a trash can and make it look good. I am sure they can handle any fuel they are paid to use. I don't buy the idea that the top pilots only use the best stuff. They might only use the best of the free stuff. I have talked to Conley before as he uses our field from time to time. I think he has approached CY before but would not just give away his fuel to him. I believe he has talked about selling it at cost to potential reps. I don't know if he has done that. WC's selling point is that it doesn't pay people to use it, so to start doing that might hurt them instead of help. The only time I have seen WC for free has been as pilot prizes. I know one rep that uses WC despite getting a discount on Coolpower. I don't really consider him a rep since he seems like a straight shooter. But if your perfectly happy with the brand you are using then I don't see a reason to change. None are likely to improve your flying more than just burning more of it.
03-18-2002 11:16 PM
 
 
Wildcat Fuels
Senior Heliman
Location: Lexington, Ky

Wildcat Fuel

Hi Guys,

I heard about this thread and had to come see it for myself. My name is Jerry Conley I am the President of Wildcat Fuels. I am not hear to stir the pot and will not respond to questions regarding anything that has to do with any of our competitors products as to oil content ect... this is information they should be telling you. I simply want to set the record straight on a few things I have read. (1) Wildcat Fuels has not, does not, and will not, sponsor ANY pilot. Our policy has been and is very clear on this fact. I don't care if George Bush wanted to be sponsored it would not happen. I have seen posts that said if Curtiss Youngblood or the like wanted free fuel that I would roll over, jump up and down with joy and be glad to sponsor them...WRONG. I know Curtis and very much respect him, but our policy would be NO different (period). We do not believe in sponsoring pilots on the simple basis of economics for our customers, if one guy gets his for free another guy had to pay for it, and that simply isn't fair to the rest of you. Our company ethics are not conditional or based on sales figures and will not change based on which way the wind is blowing that particular day. Our policy is simple "NO SPONSORSHIPS" sponsorships merely raise the price of the fuels....its that simple. (2) One post made mention of "certain" (I won't mention which) Teams being required to fly the products that that Team represents.....Sorry guys but that is absolutely true and was spelled out to me in no uncertain terms by the head of Team XYZ that their pilots would fly what they told them or they could fly for someone else. This situation occured when a few of the (top guys) wanted to switch to Wildcat (with NO sponsorship) at IRCHA from the fuel they were currently flying, based on the performance of our fuels, and were told "absolutely not or they could look elsewhere for another Team". This situation is not limited to fuels only, it is with many other products as well such as blades ect... (3) Break-In required when switching fuel brands. Yes, "some" engines may require a small amount of retemping to the new temperature, that is perfectly normal and is dependent on the length of time the other product was run. I have seen people get great performance on the first tank full (OSMAX2) to (GM1) which took 2 gallons to retemp but then had great results (his posts are on this thread). Remember gentlemen different fuels may require different needle settings, take your time. Wildcat runs on average 20 degrees cooler than other fuels and therefore a different glow plug may be required because of the lower temps., the K&B plugs Curtiss runs works very well. (3) Thank all of you for the great discussion and if I can be of any help let me know.
03-18-2002 11:40 PM
 
 
SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

Yes I had a question,
Can you give me a free box of 20%?
03-18-2002 11:45 PM
 
 
Wildcat Fuels
Senior Heliman
Location: Lexington, Ky

Wildcat

No problem, please feel free to ask me any questions regarding Wildcat Helimix. We are here to serve.

Jerry
03-19-2002 05:07 AM
 
 
MitchD
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch TN USA

why do the top guys fly Morgan Fuels?? because it works.Your engine will agree too.its not marketing that sells cool power,the engines consistent performance using CP and engine longevity achieved, sells the fuel.
Try tearing your engine down sometime.(after youve run 25 gals of CP thru it)you'd be impressed............
simple enough......

03-19-2002 06:30 AM
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SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

I put at least that much through one helicopter in one summer. Haven't had to tear it down.

"why do the top guys fly Morgan Fuels?? because it works"
Sounds like you read this off the bottle?

I don't care what heli, fuel, or engine you use, find a better reason than the "top guys do it". Jordan could dunk without Hanes holding his johnson.
03-19-2002 06:42 AM
 
 
MitchD
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch TN USA

fuel either works good or it doesnt ,i guess your not so "articulate" if you dont understand.nothing to do w top guys.I've used other fuels in the past and always went back to CP.
25gals in one summer? you need to burn more............
03-19-2002 06:57 AM
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SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

Well it does say "Semi" and not "Fully". Yet I can still write a coherent sentence. So if fuel either works or it doesn't than it doesn't matter what you use as long as it works. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. Meet me at IRCHA Jamboree and I'll tear down my R30 engine for you to inspect.

No, 25 gal. in one heli in one summer. I have two helis. But I will burn more.
03-19-2002 07:04 AM
 
 
ZZ3Astro
Senior Heliman
Location: Panama City, Fl

Which of the fuels in this thread are available with Losi Break-In sand? ;-)

zz3
03-19-2002 07:10 AM
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SemiArticulate
Veteran
Location: On Location

Your probably right about that. But it is more fun to just pi$$ for distance.
03-19-2002 07:18 AM
 
 
MitchD
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch TN USA

now work on youre spelling,and burn 50 gals more!
(btw ya need to come down to nashville and fly w us one weekend!)
03-19-2002 07:20 AM
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