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Main Discussion > WildCat Heli fuel
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Cost

I can't really give you a fair answer on a cost question since I have to have it shipped in and buy fuel in case quantities with shipping added. I can say it costs me a little less than Cool Power but not enough to make any difference in whether I'd use it or not.
Our LHS just started carrying Wildcat and Hobbytown house fuel which is also Wildcat, but they have no 20% yet. His price on fuel overall has Wildcat about $.50 / gallon cheaper than CP but that may only be here. Check it out if your LHS carries it or call Wildcat in Ky to get shipped prices.
The YS runs fine on 18% oil or 16% for that matter. OS requires 18% oil for warrantee in their 91 but I have run as low as 14% in my YSs without problems. The only danger with going that low (<15%) is that if you DO miss needle a motor and get a really lean run, it can damage the motor. With all the extra oil built into our fuel, 16,17,18,20,23%, it gives a lot more margin for error. By the way the fuel with 14% oil gave GREAT acceleration and better power with nearly NO smoke but I would not recommend it to anyone except the seasoned vet that KNOWS he can needle a motor.

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02-18-2002 04:53 PM
 
 
Dirty
Senior Heliman
Location: Des Moines, Iowa, USA

YS 20/18 or 20

GM-1; thanks again for the input. I think that I will give th YS 20/18 a try then. You should try the 20/20, I really liked it in my 61 ST2. No power difference than the CP 30%, but less oil and smoke.
02-18-2002 05:00 PM
 
 
Twobeers
Key Veteran
Location: Toronto, Canada

Use it and nothing else

There is more than one type of Wildcat fuel. The plain Wildcat fuel if you read the contents on the label will tell you all you need to know. Plain Wildcat has an 80/20 synthetic/castor blend. Not what you want.
Wildcat 2 & 4 cycle fuel is 100% synthetic. This is the juice.
Oh heck, now there is going to be a run at my LHS again. I mentioned this once at our local heli club & when I went to go get some more a couple of days later the owner said he was out of stock. Seems that he had a run of the stuff in the previous couple of days, everybody was asking for it all of a sudden.
02-18-2002 09:19 PM
 
 
cerberus
Senior Heliman
Location: Southeast Louisiana

um... i have a question relating to fuels that maybe you guys can clear up, i have read somewhere a while back that TowerPower heli fuel is manufactured by the same people as CoolPower, is this true?
thanx

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02-18-2002 10:04 PM
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Todd
Senior Heliman
Location: Nashville, TN

Osmax, did your engine run bad on the CP15, we had to switch to CP30 just to get the OS 50 to run right, we had a long fight with the 15, but the 30 works good. We are going to give the Wildcat a try.
02-23-2002 08:56 PM
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djcolliss
Heliman
Location: Prince George, B.C Canada

15 % heli fiel

I just picked up a jug of wild cat fuel. It states right on the sticker: Heli-mix 15 % - Total synthetic oil- 18% oil content. On the side of the bottle it says that the oil is klotz brand made exclusively for Wild Cat.The color of the fuel is reddish-purple. I havent tried it yet so i cant say how it runs yet.

Jamie
02-24-2002 04:01 AM
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

ReBreak in

Paul,
If you have a low time motor and switch to Wildcat 30%, you probably won't have to do much to get the motor to run well, usually you open the top end just a fuzz but all that depends on how you had the model needled in the first place, but if the motor has been run a lot, 25+ gallons, it has taken a heat set, that is, it's used to running at one temperature in a hover and another in idle up, when you switch to Wildcat with a different oil package, the operating temps are different (usually lower) in both hover and idle up, the sleeve and piston expand differently and actually will have to refit themselves to run optimally with the new fuel so for the first couple of gallons, SOMETIMES the motor runs a little rough initially but will come around. My VERY high time OS32SX which was really down on power from wear with CP30% now runs strongly again on WC30%, lower operating temp and thicker oil have tightened the tolerances and are allowing it to make more power. Now this won't last forever but was an interesting benefit. If you think about it, switching back and forth to different fuels will create all kinds of wear problems since the operating temp keeps changing and the motor may never settle down. Since a new or low time motor has not taken a heat set (yet) you can change fuels and probably not notice much difference in ease of use, though power, smoke, and longevity could be different.
This has been an interesting thread without getting into fuel bashing. And since all the major fuel brands are good quality and work OK, that's a good thing.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
02-24-2002 01:27 PM
 
 
deckerv
Veteran
Location: Wellsville, NY

Just bought a 4 gallon case of Wildcat 30% heli fuel from Tower.. and it's great stuff!! I love it. I'll stick to the cheapo Tower Power 15% for my planes, but this Wildcat fuel definately for the heli's!!
02-24-2002 03:06 PM
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Dino Spadaccini
Key Veteran
Location: USA

fuel

well i have been doing this hobby for 17 yrs now and the fuel is allways and issue wildcat tells you on the can how much oil and nitro nothing to hide infact call them and i bet the owner jerry will talk to you on the phone and talk to as long as you can say on the phone they do not sponser people they just make great fuel on the other hand cp will not tell you the oil % unless you call and ask?????????? and they use a light weight oil that is why theres has 23% is that better no because you lose burnable nitro&meth so all you get is a smoke cloud and more smoke doesnt mean you are protecting the motor it is the burn off emission get it. on the wildcat side they use a med weight oil which means you must run a richer needle i have a ys80 in a vigor and it loves 30% power to spare and in my 60 os wc the same in my saito 30% heli fuel 1.80 will turn a 17/8 at 9700 hole cow vertal with a 12lb extra no problem all day long finally i did a motor rip down after crashing my rapp 60 pilot error went in inverted total anyway the motor is gone due to the crash but after 10 cases of fuel thats wright 10 i said last summer flying no sign of visable wear. if you look on this forum there is some one who posted pics of his motor after useing cp 15% look for( doug ) motor was a total lost to me bye the looks of it so what am i saying the cp fuel buys support from all the great flyers they sponser out there like curtiss and jason (which get free fuel get it cp is buying people which is ok if your them and making your living that way but come on is it the best fuel for free yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ) and the rest of them that make a living off this hobby remember we fly because we love to not because we are paid too thats the point

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02-25-2002 02:52 AM
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gquiring
Heliman
Location: Matawan, NJ

Ron, exactly how many gallons of Wild Cat have you flown in your heli? Also, what kind of flying?? Hovering? Last I saw you, you were still only hovering.

I'm not clear on how much time you really have using this stuff? Have you done any time using Wild Cat during the summer months? You may want to test this stuff better before totally blessing it. Many fuels work great in the winter in NJ, but the summer time is the real test.

Gary
02-25-2002 04:25 AM
 
 
David B
Heliman
Location: Warren, New Jersey

breakin

Ron,

Did you have to run a gallon or two through your engine to get it used to the fuel?
02-25-2002 05:14 AM
 
 
gquiring
Heliman
Location: Matawan, NJ

As I said Ron, have you tested this stuff in 95 degree weather?

I'm not stuck on or committed to Cool Power. I'm just not sure you have probably tested WC enough to post such positive results. How many gallons has Paul run? From what I was told you guys just recently started using WC. Am I wrong? Do you each have more than 5 or 10 gallons of WC through your engines?

I just want verify how much time you have on this stuff. Fuel is a very important factor, and cannot be judged with just a few tanks.

I have seen postive comments about S&W because some guy flew a couple of tanks and said it was great stuff. S&W is one fuel in my experience that does not work in hot days.
02-25-2002 05:35 AM
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

Fuel in heat

Guys, I live and fly in Florida (98 degrees, 98% humidity), burn about 100 gallons a year, and have zero problems burning either CP or Wildcat ( or Powermaster, etc). I changed from CP to WIldcat to reduce the smoke output and have now run a bunch of it through 61s, 80s, and 91s. Works fine in all of them and the big block motors let me cut the nitro back to 20% which reduces my fuel bills. New Wildcat 20% helimix works great in the YS80 and is even better in the OS 91, both in XL Pro IIKs with Hatori exhausts. I have done exhaustive testing and it does woork here in the heat. So does CP, etc.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
02-25-2002 12:16 PM
 
 
gquiring
Heliman
Location: Matawan, NJ

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What does running gals have anything to do with it


I guess you never ran a bad brand of fuel. I have seen many guys brag about how great a fuel is before using it enough. I am not saying that there is a problem with WC, just your endorsemnet of a fuel without extensive use.

I think it would be more accurate to layout exactly how many tanks/gallons you have used WC. I can remember the days when folks were swearing over certain brands until the hot days came. Many fuels use cheap or not enough oil.

Any engine can tolerate a bad fuel for a FEW tanks, but not gallons. All I'm saying it let's make sure this stuff is good before blessing it.

Gary
02-26-2002 07:12 PM
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

sicko69:

Hardly a total loss. I pulled it down to replace the bearings after 1 year and 60 + gal in South Florida. I thought it was in great shape, the cylinder and ring were still servicable and it's back flying great.
02-26-2002 07:27 PM
 
 
kyoshokamper
Senior Heliman
Location: HOUSTON, TX, U.S.A.

GREAT FUEL/CONSISTENT

I have found over the past 4-of my 5 yrs flying that wilcat is comparable to morgans 15% heli fuel but slightly better/by that i mean that i have been able to consistently run richer/smoke more/stay in the power band with both my 6 birds and my students birds over the years, not to say that i wouldnt use cool pwr 15 but the wc15 helimix is my preference, incidently the 2 & 4 stroke 15% is identical and the company president is Jerry and he is very accessible and I have him 2b an adament perfectionist, a couple of my close friends have tried on a limited basis the wc30% and reported lees pleasing results/but maybe their expections were 2 hi after using wc15 for so long/i suggest u just hover a couple of gallons of ea 4 yourself and practice low risk low level circuits and occasionally climb out/thats the best 2bsure 4 yourself
02-26-2002 07:43 PM
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Zxyxx
Senior Heliman
Location: Anaheim

CP 30% all the way!

I like smoke. The more the better.
02-26-2002 07:51 PM
 
 
J Kramer
Heliman
Location: Brownsburg Indiana

I think the fuel has been beat to death. Let's face, there is only ONE nitro made in USA, I think only two oils maybe three and alcohol is alcohol. It all comes down to mix.
02-26-2002 08:01 PM
 
 
GM1
Elite Veteran
Location: Tallahassee, Florida US

I hate smoke

I changed from CP 30 because of the smoke. It obscured the heli in many maneuvers, and made the plankers unhappy when I smoked the pits out while hovering. Everyone is happier now that I am using a low smoke fuel, WC 20%/18% oil.

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.
02-26-2002 08:03 PM
 
 
Dino Spadaccini
Key Veteran
Location: USA

fuel doug

ok if it was only bearings this time

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02-27-2002 02:31 PM
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