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e-Electric Batteries & Chargers > Charger choice: Hyperion DUO or Cellpro10?
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

yes you can offer help,as far as techncal help.But reps are not supposed to get involed(on open forum) with helping people choose what to buy,and this thread is EXACTLY that,the original poster is trying to decide which charger to buy.Since you make a living selling HYPERION products,dont you think your opinion is SLIGHTLY biased?I understand you are really into this hobby,we all are,but there are rules here and I'm just trying to play by the rules.Its not fair that people are posting here looking for IMPARTIAL info,and you try to push people to choose HYPERION,when you make a direct profit from any HYPERION product sold,dont you think its a slight bit unethical?This is why I'm not trying to get into all this.all I said was the 10S was a great charger for MY needs,and if anyone wants any more info PM me,because there is some not so accurate links going around.Someone pm'd me about a specific DUO question and I did not want to answer without getting the correct info.I was unsure if HYPERION had,for some reason,limited the max charge rate to 10A,as all the info I got says 10A max,but really its 20A MAX charge rate(under the right conditions)

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09-06-2008 03:38 AM
 
 
Tyler
Key Veteran
Location: Chicagoland area

chargers

I pulled the trigger and ordered a cellpro 10S when they were out of stock. I canceled my order when I learned that you can only charge battery packs with balance taps. For MY application of using A123 cells as receiver packs, I didn't want the hassle of running an extension for the balance taps to allow me to charge with my canopies installed on all 5 helicopters.

The hyperion will allow you to charge without balance taps.

Also, the cellpro cannot charge a 12s battery or two 6s packs at the same time to use as a 12s pack when wired in series. The Hyperion Duo can do two 6s packs. I also liked the synch balancing that allows you to balance two seperate packs, one on each of the two outputs.

Tyler

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09-06-2008 06:11 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

Not bias. I can post what I know about the charger. Bias is posting words in block capitals expressing your opinion...

I will post what I know and let others decide how it compares.
I'm not a salesman and I don't make a living by selling them. I just check that everything works like it was intended to- a result of this is I just know them really well and can go into detail.

I might buy a Cellpro 10S and do a side-by-side comparison just because.

Technical info should be posted here and by that I mean what you know and not what some sales nark has decorated the box with.

The original poster only wanted to charge two 3 S packs together so a DUO is 100% overkill.

In fact he should get another Cellpro 4 unless he can see himself going into bigger helis and having many packs. Two 4S chargers would be great for a TRex 600 on 8S. If he is not too bothered about the packs being balanced to each other.

DSX9
Custom eRaptor 700
09-06-2008 07:23 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

Fenderstrat

Bias, impartial, unethical even!

I work for a monthly salary and don't get commission.

The poster has asked a difficult question because virtually nobody will have both a DUO and a Cellpro 10 so most can only talk about one charger.

Give it a rest man! I'll chat about NETs and DUOs and you chat about what you know!? Sound safe?

Anyone feel free to PM me with hyperion questions.

DSX9
Custom eRaptor 700
09-06-2008 07:32 AM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

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Give it a rest man! I'll

I didn't even want to get into ANY of this,you are the one who keeps it going.I do not make the RR rules,if you are not happy with them PM MARK

at least I can admit that I was unsure of the specs of the DUO and asked for exact data.How can you know anything about the 10S if you have never owned one.

this is exactly why I try to stay away from subjects on this forum,its always the same with you,it ends up in an argument for anyone who does not agree that HYPERION is the best charger out there


and while we are here the reason I asked is this,everyone keeps going on and on about the hyperion being able to charge 2 6s batteries at the same time.but if you are charging 2 6s 5000 mah batteries the most you can charge at is 7 A each,which is not even 1.5C so it is going to take almost an hour to charge and balance both batteries.With the 10S you can charge each battery at 2C which will have both batteries done in a little less than an hour,so the DUO=2 6s 5000mah in a little less than an hour.The 10s, the same two batts in a little less than an hour.so if the charging times are almost equal,this means the safety,ease of use,auto charging modes,speed of charging,customer service,PRICE,and the fact that its USA made puts the 10S WAY ahead in this competetion

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09-06-2008 04:01 PM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

Both the DUO and Cellpro 10S cannot produce their full output power when running off a 12v (e.g., car battery) input so this is something to consider when powering your charger. Needless to say, I won't be trading in my TP-1010C for either one of these chargers.



09-06-2008 07:29 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

Looks like the cellpro can only do upto 10S. DUO can to TWO 6S.

DUO = 360W, Cellpro 300W

Fender you're slimy - you're either dumb OR you very carefully worded the last paragraph in your last post comparing a DUO charging TWO 6S packs to a cellpro charging a 10S pack. Apples and oranges.
The duo charges a 6S pack at 8.1 Amps when the cells are at 3.7 volts each and drops to 7 Amps when they are almost at 4.2

I'm not arguing, I'm correcting your misinformation.

fenderstrat the more you post brand names in block capitals the more RunRyder will show up in Google searches when someone looks for that brand. Mark can only be pleased.

You call me bias and then post that your charger is “way above the competition”.

Just post what you know man and I’ll do the same. Do you have a Duo so you can directly compare them? I don’t have a cellpro on hand right now so I’ll only post about the Duo.

DSX9
Custom eRaptor 700
09-07-2008 08:52 AM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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The duo charges a 6S pack at 8.1 Amps when the cells are at 3.7 volts each and drops to 7 Amps when they are almost at 4.2


Too bad you failed to mention that in order to achieve the full output of the DUO you need a 15V or greater power supply. Not exactly easy when filed charging from a 12V car battery.

The TP-1010C can achieve it's full rated output (220W) well below 12V.



09-07-2008 02:49 PM
 
 
kcordell
Veteran
Location: O Fallon, MO

It isn't about what is the best out there. It's about what works best for you. Everyone has preferences.
I have two 1010C's with 210V's. I got the DUO out of convenience. Both work great but I only have to hook up one now and less to carry. For what I am charging (3S and 5S packs) it works just fine and so does the 1010C. I have never tried one of the CellPro chargers but I have been around pilots who have and they really seem to like them and that's just fine. When I buy another charger, more than likely it will be another DUO, because I know the charger now and won't have to re-learn another charger. Call it what you may, but that is for my convenience. I won't even start on the 1C versus 2C charging. I play it safe, have many packs and charge everything at 1C.

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09-07-2008 03:13 PM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

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Fender you're slimy - you're either dumb OR you very carefully worded the last paragraph in your last post comparing a DUO charging TWO 6S packs to a cellpro charging a 10S pack. Apples and oranges.
The duo charges a 6S pack at 8.1 Amps when the cells are at 3.7 volts each and drops to 7 Amps when they are almost at 4.2


this kind of remark is why I dont like getting involved over here,I just re-read my post and it SPECIFICALLY says 2 6s batteries on each charger,nowhere did I say a 10s battery.and my statement still stands, it will take about an hour(little less)to charge 2 6s 5000mah batteries on a DUO,correct?it will take about the same ammount of time on a CELLPRO10S(charge each battery seperately at 2C,they each take about 30min)so the charge times are a wash.

stop making personal attacks on people everytime a charger other than a HYPERION is talked about.yes they may be great but so are many other brands,you take this way too personal

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You call me bias and then post that your charger is “way above the competition”.

yes the charger that I bought,not the charger that the company I work for makes,there is a huge difference

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09-07-2008 05:50 PM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

This guy wasn't too happy with his Hyperion charger. Worse yet, was the response from Hyperion:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=830266

At least TP stepped up to the plate and replaced all his batteries.



09-07-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
jimboflies
Elite Veteran
Location: Beaumont, Texas;

I`m am more inclined to think it was a battery failure, not the charger. TP is known to use cheap Chinese cells in there lipo packs.
I have seen numerous TP Pro-lite packs catch fire for no reason what-so-ever...
Hey Screwhead , the Hyperion DUO is , in my opinion , one of the best chargers on the market...

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09-07-2008 06:23 PM
 
 
patriot21
Key Veteran
Location: Eagle Lake,MN

my 6s 3000 packs charge in about 40 minutes on the duo... i am putting about 1900 back into the packs...this is with a 12 volt computer power supply

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09-07-2008 08:26 PM
 
 
jimboflies
Elite Veteran
Location: Beaumont, Texas;

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Worse yet, was the response from Hyperion:

Looks like they sent him a new charger and some replacement 3s1p 30C 5000mah batteries; that seems like a GOOD response if you ask me...

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09-07-2008 09:06 PM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

thanks,good info.so if it takes you about 40 min to charge and you are only using about 65% capacity,then a 3000 mah 6s battery putting 80% back in is going to be close to 50 or so min

so the big selling point of the DUO over the 10S, being you can charge 2 6s batteries at the same time,is really not even an issue as we are talking about less than 10 min

and actually with the 10S you could charge each battery at 3C(22.2V 6s 3000mah) and be done charging 2 batteries in LESS time than the DUO

hey if you have a duo and love it thats great,if you think the cellpro stuff blows,thats fine.I dont work for either company so I could care less what you buy, but if we are going to compare chargers lets have facts,and the facts are the DUO does not really charge 6s batteries any faster than a 10S

and before anyone starts posting about cycle life and performance I have been charging at 2 and 3C for over a year with at least 2000 cycles combined on all my lipos.1 of my lipos has over 500 cycles,4 have 200+,2 have 300+.so I have seen no evidence that 2 and 3C charging ruins batteries

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09-07-2008 09:12 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

AceDude

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Too bad you failed to mention that in order to achieve the full output of the DUO you need a 15V or greater power supply. Not exactly easy when filed charging from a 12V car battery.

I’m sure the Duo can put out 220W from a 12V supply. It can also run off 24V.
I have posted elsewhere what the outputs are at different input voltages.

Fenderstrat

Can the Cellpro 10 charge 12 cells? (Genuine question).

AceDude

HOW many fried batteries did that guy have! You’d think he’d learn the first time. I thought the response to that was sympathetic and professional.

My response would have been, “It says in the instructions DO NOT leave charging batteries unattended” SO… you sat there and watched them burn?

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Dear Herbert,

First, let me say that I am very sorry to see the damage to your batteries and charger, and I hope that no one was injured. We do work very hard to make the safest possible chargers, and we are deeply concerned about your case. I immediately forwarded your information to our engineers, and have asked them for a full review of all possibilities, and full retest of the charger series.

At this point we cannot be sure of anything, but it seems more likely that the pack contributed greatly or caused the problem entirely, given the early start of the fire and initial voltage levels, the excellent record of the chargers to date, and the fact that your charger has been working properly for some time before the fire.

Just for background in LiPo fires; we have seen in the past that a wiring or soldering problem can lead to a thermal runaway (particularly when physical cell damage also exists, such as from an impact), and certain kinds of damage to cells, either physical or related to charge/discharge history can greatly lower the voltage threshold at which thermal runaway occurs in a particular cell. No method of detecting such conditions has yet been invented, to my knowledge.

But I am NOT saying the charger is blameless at this point. We simply don't know enough to say for certain either way yet. We can only talk about probabilities for now, and need to do everything we can on our side to gather as much information as we can.

In any case, after the review is complete (2~4 weeks, I estimate) I will personally check and send to you replacements for both the charger and the batteries, regardless of final determination of cause.

And regardless of why it happened, I am sorry it did happen. I hope we can restore your faith in future.

Best Regards,

David
HP HK LTD

PS: Our 0610i are designed cooperatively between Japan and Korea, and manufactured in Korea.

It would have been nice to have Herb also note that Hyperion has replaced both the charger and two 5000mAh 25C 3S Thunderpower packs (with our VZ 4500 30C, as requested).

^ All was apoligized for and the packs and charger were replaced.

That was also back in March 9th. It's now 6 months later and we're on firmware 1.7 and a team of us have been using about 20 balance chargers daily for almost a year now.

DSX9
Custom eRaptor 700
09-08-2008 11:03 AM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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I’m sure the Duo can put out 220W from a 12V supply. It can also run off 24V.
I have posted elsewhere what the outputs are at different input voltages.

So why would you buy 360W charger that can only put out 220W from 12V?

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HOW many fried batteries did that guy have! You’d think he’d learn the first time. I thought the response to that was sympathetic and professional.

Yeah, and how long did it take for Hyperion for finally come up with a decent response? Long after they totally denied it was the charger and kept blaming the batteries.

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That was also back in March 9th. It's now 6 months later and we're on firmware 1.7 and a team of us have been using about 20 balance chargers daily for almost a year now.

Oh, so if the first few firmware versions burn down your house it's okay because they'll eventually get it right? If this DUO is so great, why have they had so many firmware updates to begin with? They've had more firmware updates in six months than TP has had in almost three years and they've already announced a DUO II. So much for get it right the first time.



09-08-2008 12:53 PM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

Ace Dude is it raining a lot over your way?

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I’m sure the Duo can put out 220W from a 12V supply. It can also run off 24V.
I have posted elsewhere what the outputs are at different input voltages.

So why would you buy 360W charger that can only put out 220W from 12V?

I said I'm sure it can put out 220W..... And also if you did a seacrh you would find what I had also said.
If you're not interested, don't be so hostile.

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Yeah, and how long did it take for Hyperion for finally come up with a decent response? Long after they totally denied it was the charger and kept blaming the batteries.

Hyperions FIRST respone to that thread was an apology. You also have no idea how busy the guy is that took the time to reply.


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Oh, so if the first few firmware versions burn down your house it's okay because they'll eventually get it right? If this DUO is so great, why have they had so many firmware updates to begin with? They've had more firmware updates in six months than TP has had in almost three years and they've already announced a DUO II. So much for get it right the first time.

You sound like you hate these chargers.

The Duo's been around for a while. Too right there's a Duo II. How many TP chargers were there before the latest one?

Hyperion have had a lot more updates than TP? If you love TP so much go attack them for sitting on their hands.

Acedude you seem to enjoy picking holes for nothing. You also have selective reading and very abrupt responses.

Post some information that will help someone for a change.

DSX9
Custom eRaptor 700
09-08-2008 03:22 PM
 
 
Ace Dude
Elite Veteran
Location: USA

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You sound like you hate these chargers.

It's not the chargers, it's the Duo religion. I'm not sure what it is with the Duo owners but most of them, including yourself, can't see the forest through the trees. They simply think the Duo is just the greatest thing in in the world and better than every other charger on the market.

I don't have a problem with Duo, I just don't see what, if anything, is so impressive about it.

1) It requires a 15v input for max output.
2) Its discharge mode is limited to 300mAh.
3) Its bleed current is limited to 300mAh.
4) The original blue display was hard to read and has since been replaced.
5) No repair center in the USA.

Other than the convenience of charging two batteries from one box what's the big deal?



09-09-2008 01:46 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

I think the problem with most DUO owners is they have gone from a very simple charger to one with a lot of features that is also easy to use. A bit like going from a 450 heli to a .90 - of course you’re going to be blown away. People do get enthusiastic with their comments, just as others do for FMA charges.

1) Checking...
2) Discharge mode on the DUO II is now 50W, discharge mode was originally omitted because you don’t need to discharge or cycle Lithium batteries
3) 300mA is ok for balancing while charging at 2C
4) We did a check at AirCraft with 25 people and we all voted for what screen we preferred under different conditions. I don’t know why this wasn’t done first! Product development is a learning curve.
5) I’ll pass that on and see what plans there are.

The charger has a lot of features and safety features. If anything goes wrong an alarm goes off so the only way to have a fire is if you didn’t read the manual and aren’t within sight of the charger!

Really I think it’s for people who love gadgets and want to know all there is about their battery, as if that somehow helps them look after it.

I have never said “it’s the best charger”. But since I have them on-hand all day at work I can check and test things for people. Like charging four 3S packs at the same time, or checking what power output I can get from what input voltage. Along with other products I’m paid to check that they work as intended as well as check the manual flow charts match what is actually on the charger, as I’ve said before a result of this is I know the charger thoroughly. I can’t compare them to chargers I have not done the same for but I can post hard facts about them and answer people’s questions.

DSX9
Custom eRaptor 700
09-09-2008 03:17 AM
 
 
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