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Main Discussion > How do you TURN DOWN or UP your piro rate?

iskoos
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando, FL

Some do it through the Dual Rate menu and some do it through the End Point (ATV) menu.
I would like to know which is the proper way.
I would think that it should be done through Dual Rate menu would like to hear from you. And the reasoning as well.

Thanks

09-02-2008 06:41 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I use ATV for all time purposes and dual rates when I have the rates assigned to a switch (read as changeable). In the first cenario you adjust MAXIMUM piro rate available to you during any condition while in the latter you can define the piro rate for specific maneuvers like piroflips/chaos.

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

09-02-2008 06:43 PM

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iskoos
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando, FL

I see it but remember when you change ATV settings, it will effect your dual rate settings as well.

I wasn't asking this as different piro rates for different flight setups.
Say for example, you set your heli without messing with any of the ATV settings and everything is(let's assume) at 100%. And you realize your piro rate is too much to your liking and you want to reduce it. But it will be same for all flight conditions normal, or idle 1 or hold. You want the same for all flight conditions and you do NOT need another faster or slower piro rate.
So what do you do in this case?

09-02-2008 07:19 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

If there is no wish to have multiple piro rates, ATV will work just fine. Its the same as with pitch or cyclic. You limit the maximum available travel with atvs and then adjust each flight mode to your liking using curves. The basic max and min are set by atvs.
Dual Rates are nothing more than a % of the set atvs that why they change when you change your Atvs.

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

09-02-2008 07:39 PM

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iskoos
Key Veteran
Location: Orlando, FL

Alright, so you are saying it would be better to use ATV to reduce the piro rate.
I know both will do the job. I just wanted to find out the appropriate way.
You can do the same thing with many different ways with todays radios but there is generally one best way.

09-02-2008 08:35 PM

Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

ATVs. This way you can make the piro's equal in both directions. For example, if you piro to the right much faster than to the left, decrease your rudder ATV in that direction, or increase it in the slow direction.

IMO there is no need for dual rates for anything in heli's.

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...

09-02-2008 08:36 PM

DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

Some trans like my 10x slows the response around center when you use dual rates,sort of like adding expo.Using just atv limits doesnt do this. Using both atv and dual rates to slow down the piro rate can make the TR feel funny or too slow in certian spots.

09-02-2008 08:51 PM

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

The JR770 Gyro requires you to use Dual Rates in the setup. First Gyro I have used like this...

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

09-02-2008 08:55 PM

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Jeff polisena
Veteran
Location: westpalmbeachflorida usa

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IMO there is no need for dual rates for anything in heli's.

I feel the same way . I call them switch and crash or dial a crash. If you loose orientation and need full travel it is something else to do to save bird.

I dont know how to fly just how to not crash !!!!!

09-02-2008 08:56 PM

DS 8717
rrProfessor
Location: Here wishing i was somewhere else

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The JR770 Gyro requires you to use Dual Rates in the setup. First Gyro I have used like this...

Im not using dual rates on my 770 and 9303 2.4,it is just a suggestion to use dual rates.

09-02-2008 09:00 PM

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Really? The manual specifies it!

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

09-02-2008 09:02 PM

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Drunk Monk
rrProfessor
Location: Preston, UK

I'm not using dual rates on my 770 either. To each their own

Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....

09-02-2008 09:24 PM

Jeff polisena
Veteran
Location: westpalmbeachflorida usa

If you read most manuals they talk about dual rates or different gains in different modes . I never set up this way I use same gain in all modes . Also they talk about turning off HH when doing auto's . I think in the past when you did not have driven tails HH would rob power .

I dont know how to fly just how to not crash !!!!!

09-02-2008 09:27 PM

tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Skarn: they are usefull when learing coordinated maneuvers or need alot of consistency like piroflips. Check out Bobby Watts interview, he is using them.

Tony

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"Perfection and patience usually walk side by side..."

09-02-2008 09:50 PM

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hpilotrc
Veteran
Location: NY--->>Mooresville, NC USA 8/2005

Increasing the piro rate....

I do it by using a mix to lower the gyro gain. The master channel is the rudder (slave = gryo gain) and I use an exponential curve so that mostly extreme travel lowers the gain.

Works real nice!

Michael

09-02-2008 10:20 PM

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Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

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Skarn: they are usefull when learing coordinated maneuvers or need alot of consistency like piroflips. Check out Bobby Watts interview, he is using them. Tony

Good point Tony! I should have said I personally don't see the need for Dual Rates....at MY level of flying