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scamp62
Veteran
Location: Shermen Oaks, CA

Yesterday V-Bar $650.00…….today SK360 $330.00……..tomorrow Align Flybar-less $150.00………day after tomorrow ?????? ……Cheep, and to replace the traditional flybar (stabilizer bar) and its association linkages, boosting power, increasing flight times and reducing repair costs.

Dimmit..I can stop this anytime I want..no..really I can
08-30-2008 03:27 AM
 
 
Pull-n-Pitch
Veteran
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

I am sure there is "some super secret lab" somewhere developing the cutting edge of batteries for Radio Controlled Helicopters!
Yeah, Just like "Star Trek" is the future... Okay!

(remember Nitro is NOT environmentally friendly!)

Just don't throw LI-PO Electric batteries in the trash or a landfill!

I'll Pay the cost for NITRO no matter how much it goes too....

MY personal opinion only!! I have no beef with Electric Guys!!!!
08-30-2008 04:30 AM
 
 
Bad Karma
Veteran
Location: UK

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and reducing repair costs

Except when the flybarless electronics get totaled.....
08-30-2008 04:39 AM
 
 
dave75d
Senior Heliman
Location: Jacksonville, FL

Future of our Hobby

I believe in 3-5 years I just might do that first flip, or maybe a big loop without crashing!

ten grand in helis and all i can do is hover
08-30-2008 04:43 AM
 
 
OICU812
rrProfessor
Location: Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada

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I disagree. I think that electrics had their shot and blew it. Technology did not come fast enough and more importantly the price didn't come down enough.

I think if either one of those two things would have happened, more people would have got onboard and then and only then would you have seen the electric side really take off. The problem was not enough people jumped onboard so the $$$$ was not there for the manufacturers to justify the R&D in the performance arena. Plus, the “volume” was not there for the manufacturers to make enough of a profit to bring the pricing down based on high volume.

JMHO!

Took their shot and blew it? You can't be serious, watch the Ircha videos at all? The technology in electrics is getting better daily, from lipos to motors and esc. More power, more efficient etc... You're talking like electrics are over, they are only getting started man. I'll remind you in 2 years time tops, that I told you so. If it is not apparent now then 2 years should be enough for more to realize this. All in good fun, but I was really suprised at your comment and talking in past tense is all, lol.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
08-30-2008 04:50 AM
 
 
scamp62
Veteran
Location: Shermen Oaks, CA

Quote: from Bad Karma
Except when the flybarless electronics get totaled.....


So maybe you should not fly it all Bad Karma…..you might crash and damage your gyro, receiver, governor, or servos, or motor, or main blades, or total your entire helicopter !, crap man I think the topic was the FUTURE of this hobby…….not what is old and cheep (tomorrow the flybarless system my be cheep)………..maybe you should take up the U-control airplanes !!! They have remanded cheep, with really no changes …….(very scary…change !) in the last 10 plus years……sorry for being a little bit of an a$$...... but the one thing I love about this hobby is the innovations, and forward thinking….do you use a mechanical gyro ? …analog servos ?......….bet not !......

Dimmit..I can stop this anytime I want..no..really I can
08-30-2008 05:57 AM
 
 
Raffy
Key Veteran
Location: Chicago, Illinois

The future of our hobby will be more costly for sure!
08-30-2008 06:17 AM
 
 
scamp62
Veteran
Location: Shermen Oaks, CA

1979’…..the digital watch..$399.99… today…free with a happy meal at Burger King

1980’…the Electronic Calculator…$499.99 (add, subtract, and multiply !!)…today…maybe $3.99, if not free with a happy meal at Burger King !

We are talking about the future gentlemen….not next Monday.
Expand your thoughts …….and your imagination….the world is moving forward...fast !, weather you like it or not.

Dimmit..I can stop this anytime I want..no..really I can
08-30-2008 06:45 AM
 
 
Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

^^^Kid's Club Meal!!

Happy Meals are served only at McDonalds.

(\__/)
(='.'=) The Dood abides.
(")_(")
08-30-2008 06:51 AM
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ruddernate
Veteran
Location: sulphur,Ok.

how bout a device that'll keep a beginner's heli further from the ground . kinda like a seat belt that only locks with quick movements a heli that starts making corrections to get it up and stable when crashing. 3d would drive it crazy but great for a beginner hoverer. i think hoverer may be a new word

virtual training gear

fly it like you stole it
08-30-2008 06:56 AM
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

electric is the obvious future of this hobby.

Thats the last 'easy money' in this hobby for awhile....electrics....our hobby is 3 or 4 steps removed from the big money and is greatly affected by larger consumer trends...such as lighter smaller laptops requiring a new kind of battery...lipo.

The easy money made with stocks and real estate in 2001-2005 that flowed into this hobby will probably morph over to a much different demographic that probably won't be buying rc helicopters so much.

When I got into this hobby, it was an 'old guys' thing...its funny to me to see the hobby a 'kids' thing now...not that I'm old, but I have been doing this for over half my life.

I see a little shakeup coming.

There are way too many knock-off helis out there right now also...tells me the last to know are here...and the last to show have already come and bought....attendance at many funflies this year was down too. In my mind I see the future of this hobby leveling out for a little while, taking a chill pill and moving away from Ozzy/Pantera/Slayer flying a little.

Some of those guys will turn it up more, its the easy path to establishing their brands as we all know that first impressions mean the most, but outfits like Align, should pay attention to the cycles that made TT, Kyosho, Hirobo, etc, etc, as 'the name' in the hobby once but not now.

The future of this hobby is open to many new inventions and price drops but the quartz LCD watch and electronics argument is a poor comparison to how trends work out in this hobby.....

the demand for heli technology is nothing like watches....heli technology doesnt exist....follow me here for a minute,

the greater application for vbar is nonexistant, a handful of creative types will use it to stabilize similar machines, etc, etc, but the technology inside a vbar comes from other applications to begin with....you cant say that technology started in the hobby. A greater application brought it here, like so much of the technology in this hobby....big money.

To build a heli actually requires skill in understanding how all the parts interact.....never seen an LCD watch kit before. ARF helis are still rare and not recommended because flying helis is half about building, repairing and maintaining....skills that cant be bought in a box or programmed into a machine at a factory

An LCD watch just takes a pulse and is a simple piece of **** you get from Burger King, another simple piece of ****, but everyone needs to eat and to tell time....not many need rc helis and most only buy them after squaring away their needs.

Anyways, I think the future of this hobby will be interesting but not full of huge changes overnight. The foundation of knowledge that is the core of this hobby is already very well established, but it isn't widely understood....the future will be about knowledge too

Thats the secret to the future of this hobby. It would be crazy for any governing authority to take cars away, there would be havoc....but 'loud annoying two stroke helicopters' are probably an attractive nuisance and polluting the earth right?....well there are more people who think that then there are heli pilots, so who wins??

We need to consider that technological developments are not the future of the hobby, they are already here. The future of the hobby is to maintain and grow a place for it in your communities.
08-30-2008 07:53 AM
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rc-whirlybird
Senior Heliman
Location: Shelby Twp, Michigan,USA

No more 9C, 10C, 12Z, 14MZ, 9X, 12X...radio in the future. All that will replace by the small device like Nintendo Wii technology controller.
08-30-2008 08:05 AM
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MANCHA
Heliman
Location: Cabo San Lucas, Baja- Mexico

KC:

do not agree with you. ARF made the difference in planes, same will happen to helis !

Technology is key to our hobby and will keep on modifying it.
believe me when I say " patent office will not be closed "
the best is yet to come !!

MANCHA
08-31-2008 07:01 AM
 
 
robl45
Key Veteran
Location: Deerfield Beach, FL

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I disagree. I think that electrics had their shot and blew it. Technology did not come fast enough and more importantly the price didn't come down enough.

Do you live in a fall out shelter? Been to a hobby store, any of the ones I go to are primarily selling electrics. People are converting their nitro RC trucks to electric, you know why? they are faster, cheaper, less noisy, accelerate better, etc. Pretty much better in every way.

I had a nitro heli, been there, done that, noise, gas nitro leaking everywhere, etc, seen the price of nitro? an electric heli is way cheaper when you factor in the costs of the nitro.
09-01-2008 04:56 AM
 
 
KC
Elite Veteran
Location: WA

hola MANCHA

ARFs are fine for getting people into the hobby but they dont compare to ARF plane sales.....heres why,

the average high-end 3d heli takes 10-20 hours tops for most builders, if its an MA 30-40 hours ....ARF MA helis might sell!

high end airplane ARFs have caught on because a giant scale 3d plank or scale turbine takes atleast 100 hours to build, another 100 to detail for scalers.

a giant scale 3d plane is easy to see, sounds cool, and everyone who has ever flown a plane wants one....a lot more people fly planes.

The market for planes is about 10 times greater than helis, and the skill level required to construct planes is similar to constructing prefab buildings or doing fiberglass work....there are thousands of people in other industries who know how to do this.

With all the moving parts in a heli, it requires a certain knowledge of helis that can only come from mechanical trades or the school of hard knocks....car mechanics and a/p mechanics arent cheap and they don't want to build helis....so who builds ARFs? Usually women in Taiwan who are not into helis.

That said, they do a pretty good job, but heres the reason why ARFs have never caught on,

youre just gonna crash it if youre new and you got to know how to work on them anyways.

I don't see ARFs changing the natural order of the hobby any more than they already have....they bring people in and are fine for guys strapped for time in the case of plankers (who largely don't try to tempt fate like heli pilots, so their machines last longer), but a pilot needs to know how to build.
09-01-2008 08:46 AM
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