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louk05
Key Veteran
Location: Flying in BelAir Maryland

I would have to say electrics will be just as good as nitros and last longer and be lighter. Even though some say they had there chance but lets not forget we are not the onky e or n powerd r/c hobbies out there. there are boats and cars. they all will play a part of growth in everything. Yes motors are going to be more powerfull. Yes lipos or may be called something new. Will be lighter and stronger and provide longer flight times. And yes gassers will move more into the 3d and will be more power full and lighter. We also will be introduced to a new fuel that may take over nitro and gas. it will provide the power of nitro but flight times of gas.

This is what we are all about Lightet faster and more power into bigger toys. Everything will change. Our technoligy is getting better and bettery every day. Soon there will be no down falls between nitro ir electric. It will be simply rather you like smoke or not. Everything is only going to get better as we want it and yes flybarless will be standard soon and yes cost is going to go up but then again everything dose. Change. bigger better faster is what we are all about. makeing things better and easier and more power and longer flights. there will be a time we can go fly and not worry about refueling or charging batteries for a all day flight. That is what I think and if you look back you will see that what iam saying is pretty true. the past shows use the future. everything changes for the better.

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08-29-2008 09:32 AM
 
 
Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Have a look at a Similar thread from way back in 2002.

I summarized some of the best predictions.


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Futaba gyros with built in governors.... my only thought
Not quite, but I see we have receivers with built in governors now.
Spektrum AR7100R.

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A dedicated YS .45 or .50 heli engine.
a YS.50 was available last year.

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An affordable sport Caliber .50 or even a .60 (like the Caliber .30 only with a metal clutch bell)
Caliber 5 is old news.

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I want to see bigger balllinks and control rods, higher torque more reliable servos... With these big engines, I think we are pushing the design limits of these things as far as strength goes... What happens when the new 110 or whatever comes out???


I guess 5mm balls is the standard these days, what were was the norm in 2002?

For sure servos have gotten better.

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Linear servos.
Im not sure.
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A perfect mail order house that has fair prices.
Nobodies perfect, but there are quite a few good online heli stores.

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USB plugs so you can use a computer to program the radio, backup data and have a big graphics screen.
This has been done. JR has some data software, and so does Futaba.
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Megabytes of memory for 1000s of models. Software programability,
Removeable SD cards, etc good enough?

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if I want 33 P-mixes and 52 pitch curve points then I should be able to click on a windows button and get them.

Who needs that many mixes is beyond me.
7 to 9 point curves seem to be the norm.

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Radios that use a modern transmission encoding. Like Network addressing, 2.4Ghz , Spread Spectrum. Anything to get away from WW1 vintage crystal control.

Spektrum, FASST, XPS...

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Telemetry from the heli to the tx. Battery state, rpm, fuel level, glitch reporting, failure alerts to either a sunglass mounted display or synth voice on the tx to headphones.
Spektrum has a telemetry system for their surface radios. Im not sure what all it does.

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Servos that don't cost U$120 and fail after a gallon.
Some of the really good servos cost ALMOST that much.
Im willing to bet they're more reliable now.

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High current fuel cells so electric power becomes better than glow or gas.
Lipos.

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PCM receivers with build in 1st stage glitch counters that cost the same as PPM rxs. Failsafe set so throttle goes to idle vice hold.

whats PCM?

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Servo, battery and switch wires that can handle high currents. Mod the receiver too.
The new thing is rx's that come with heavy duty wires hard wired in, ie the AR7100 and AR9100.

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At a nightflying event last weekend (With Curtis) the guys were asking for backlit Xmitter LCD's

12x, some versions of the DSX9, Futaba 10C, 14mz...

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I would like to see engines that are easier to set up for peak performance. After three years of flying I still haven't developed an ear/feel for peaking an engine. It's trial and error for me.

How about a gadget that tunes the engine for you?
eg; Carb Smart.

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(1) Better selection of colors for anodized parts (simple)
Lots.

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My biggest pet peve and is certainly do-able right now is transmitter frequencies. You can go down and buy a cordless phone for $89 that uses any of 200 channels to transmit from and automatically switches from one to the next if there is interference. Why can't our transmitters be like that. No need to "use" a frequency. All frequencies are open to everyone. If you are flying and someone turns on your transmitter picks the next available frequency. Can't be too hard to make I think....

Im telling you, some of these guys KNEW 2.4ghz was coming!!


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How about manufactures that actually do a little Research and development instead of using me as their test group

ALIGN.

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Seriously, Probably the single best thing that could be implemented for us with existing technology (IMO) is a encoded TX/RX system. I mean do you need to change frig*ing quartz cystals everytime you make a different phone call on your mobile because someone has your channel or unable to unlock your car because there are more than 50 cars within 2 miles using your radio slot, not hardly.

Take the time it takes to transmit 1 channel,1ms or whatever and send 10-20 binary bits (1000-1,000,000 combinations) to identify your Tx to its Rx(now you only have 9 channels, so what) It would be possible to
manufacture all radios with there own unique code, no two are sold 'on the same channel' thats easy peasy lemon squezey.
. Receivers would have a button that 'locks it' to the code it just received so untill the button is pressed again it stays on that channel, and so any number of rx could be used from 1 TX but easily changed over again. Childs play. No one would ever get shot down and no need to buy over-priced xtals. Its not even new stuff, cell phones used it for years.

Electronic carburation control would be great but probably expensive.
Cordless servos would be pointless.

Chalk up another one for the 2.4ghz prediction.

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Here's what I think manufacturers should strive for.

1. Spread spectrum TX/RX. No more shoot downs.

And ANOTHER ONE for 2.4ghz!

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2. Micro servos that equal or better the performance of standard servos. This will open up serious performance increases for ALL aspects of remote control.

Not sure about "EQUAL" but I bet some of the micro servos in 2008 have some better specs than many standard servos from 2002.

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3. Mass production of carbon fiber so that entry level stuff can have em.

Yes.

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4. Improvement in power/weight ratio for e-helis.

Yes. Biggest improvement made here was probably lipos.

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5. Nitromethane monopoly of the U.S. broken.

Hmm. Nitro. China. 2008 and the year of no nitro.

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1. Digital Spread TX/RX -- Probably cheaper to produce then the antique crystals we are using now.

is 2.4ghz cheaper to produce? anyone?
oh BTW, chalk up another for 2.4ghz predictions.

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2. High Torque/High Speed Linear Servos


not "linear" but is the DS8717 strong enough and fast enough for you?

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3. Cheap Fuel Injected engine with a built in Temp for tuning
Fuel injection: NO.

Carb Smart: YES.

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4. Telemetry
The surface guys have it.

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(='.'=) The Dood abides.
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08-29-2008 10:17 AM
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Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

Ghostrider - you sound impatient. All technologies take time to develop and evolve. Historically there have been many dozens of new battery designs as a greater understanding of chemistry evolves. In latter years, the motivation behind new battery technology is in part being driven by the impending requirement for electric vehicles. Scientists and engineers are allways looking to ways of providing batteries that are lighter, smaller, safer, with high current drain applications. Lithium based cells certainly seem to have the potential, but the greatest limiting factors have been in electrode configurations. As is the way of things, other technologies come along which provide solutions for other technologies. None greater than nanotechnology.
Nanotechnology is now being applied to battery electrodes and big advantages are being realised, particularly when applied to the use of silicon nano wires which are able to absorb lithium ions and swell without fracture. It is estimated that the energy density could be as much as 10 times that of current technologies while offering greater longevity.
All good things come to he who waits

Vegetable rights and Peace
08-29-2008 10:43 AM
 
 
jal250r
Veteran
Location: Mankato, MN, US

Very nice Dood. It would be fun to look back at this tread in 4 years and see if anything comes true

"Feed the Need to 3D"
08-29-2008 12:24 PM
 
 
fenderstrat
Elite Veteran
Location: Aston,Pa

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I disagree. I think that electrics had their shot and blew it. Technology did not come fast enough and more importantly the price didn't come down enough

are you for real??electric is every bit as good as nitro in the performance power/weight ratio and batteries are much cheaper now, WAY better and getting better and cheaper as we speak.t-rex batts are less than 50 bucks now and 2 and 3C charging thats SAFE and wont hurt cycle life is HERE NOW,20-30 min charge times for 2 batts.you can get 6s 5000mah batts for $150 now and all this in the last 1 1/2 years,and A123 are looking good too.the technology is comming FAST,2 years ago 15C batteries were high discharge and guys were blowing batts up with nimh chargers,now 30C,s are everywhere and lipo only chargers are making things safe

electric is the future

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Futaba FASST
08-29-2008 12:57 PM
 
 
pilotError
Key Veteran
Location: Long Island, NY

In the next 5 years I would see much better battery chemistry's, no more putting the battery in the Crock Pot/Lipo Bag/BBQ or watching your Car/Truck/Garage/House burn down because of a mistake.

More electronics integration. Governors / Regulators built into all the receivers. Failsafe support across even the micro receivers. Smaller packaging for just about everything, mainly Gyros, no more separate Amp Box. Native High amperage support in the receiver.

Brushless Servos that support 6+ volt without having to resort to Regulators / Step down voltage wires.

Not sure about the jump to bigger motors. They've been talking about it for the last 5 years, but nobody has come out with one. I think even JK built the Synergy with the 110+ motors in mind.

Good Judgement comes from Experience. Great Judgement comes from Bad Experience.
08-29-2008 01:17 PM
 
 
Brunobl
Veteran
Location: Pomerode, SC, Brazil - 26 40S 49 11W

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"Linear servos."
Im not sure.

Linear servos were quite popular in Europe some 25 years ago IIRC Robbe and Graupner had them. Today, there is at least one linear conversion kit, but for a vintage (S148) servo.

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Best regards,
Bruno.
08-29-2008 01:44 PM
 
 
jal250r
Veteran
Location: Mankato, MN, US

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More electronics integration. Governors / Regulators built into all the receivers. Failsafe support across even the micro receivers. Smaller packaging for just about everything, mainly Gyros, no more separate Amp Box. Native High amperage support in the receiver

I also belive this is the Future and its already happening.

"Feed the Need to 3D"
08-29-2008 01:45 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

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Telemetry from the heli to the tx. Battery state, rpm, fuel level, glitch reporting, failure alerts to either a sunglass mounted display or synth voice on the tx to headphones.
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Spektrum has a telemetry system for their surface radios. Im not sure what all it does.


FPV

First Person Video is here.

There is one FPV system thats using a gyro to control two servos. Move your head up/down and or sideways and camera follows.

Someone soon will be implementing it into steering practically anything.

>I predict some of use will be flying our own "mosquito xe" to the field.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
08-29-2008 02:33 PM
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jal250r
Veteran
Location: Mankato, MN, US

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>I predict some of use will be flying our own "mosquito xe" to the field.


I hope your right

"Feed the Need to 3D"
08-29-2008 02:59 PM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Electrics will come more and more, batteries will become better and better.

Not because our hobby, but because the drive for Electric Enviroment friendly cars.

The amount of money that is pumped into battery development for electric cars will hopefully pay off for them, and at the same time for us, but even if its not getting perfect for the cars, we will probably see an improvement in our hobby


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
08-29-2008 03:21 PM
 
 
moyesboy
Heliman
Location: uk

Bigger better faster? You are not looking at RC helis as a whole. +90% of rc helis sold are small electrics. Big electric and nitro helis are a tiny part of the market (for the small percenytage that are well and truely hooked and addicted).

The biggest drive to flybarless easy to fly helis is for survailence. In europe soon every flying machine (including light aircraft, glider, hang glider, paraglider) will need to carry a mode S transponder that transmits its position, speed, bank angle etc etc (the expense will kill hang and paragliding dead but the law is already there and we fight it). We are told this is for air traffic control purposes, but it is not. It is becuase within a few years most policing will be done remotely through unmanned flying vehicles and the transponders are so these unmanned vehicles can miss the air traffic automatically. The unmanned flying vehicles will be both helis and fixed wing with the helis eventually able to follow suspects inside buildings. They will be cheap and expendable and will fly for an hour, and they will be almost autonomous so one pilot can fly several of them and is really panning and zooming the camera and locking onto a target to follow rather than piloting it.
The military already have semi autonomous flying vehicles that will go into a building and find out if it is occupied and look behind all the doors.

If you don't beleive this then you didn't think about how many cctv cameras there are in UK cities - there is very little of the UK high street that is not covered already.

So to commit crime in the future just wait for a foggy low cloud and very windy day
08-29-2008 03:25 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

Hmmmm...I smell a market for PPEMP at the UK

Personal
Portable
Electro
Magnetic
Pulse



minds at work. (vs...men at work)

I can see the infomercial...are you tired of being followed?

Actually, you will never get a patent for it.

but it can be done muahahahahaha

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
08-29-2008 03:34 PM
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Yug
rrProfessor
Location: UK. Herts

My thoughts exactly

Vegetable rights and Peace
08-29-2008 04:57 PM
 
 
junkpilot
Senior Heliman
Location: Alamogordo N.M.

Whats in the future of model helicoptering?

Unfortunatly I still see the electric vs. NITRO debate.
For Nitro helis I see a 20 pound heli 800 to a 1000 mm blades.
Big enough to see even for me!
Junkpilot

When you fly JUNK it's hard to tell when you've crashed!
08-29-2008 05:48 PM
 
 
leftyatm
Veteran
Location: Elkton, MD, USA

Hopefully still both. I'd like to see E-powered 50 and 90 size helis with wicked powerful motors and cheap batteries. I hope 6 S 5000 Mah batteries come down to $200 in time with the improvement of technology. As for RTF I hope it's only an option. That is the second favorite part of the hobby to me is building. I haven't built one in about 3 months and I'm suffering withdraw symptoms.

2X T-Rex 450 SE V2 T-Rex 500 CF T-Rex 600 CF and T-Rex 600 NSP
08-29-2008 05:55 PM
 
 
TJinGuy
Elite Veteran
Location: Socorro, NM - USA

Well since my nitro nemesis has spoken ... I am forced to also

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I went to a float fly this past weekend. Now granted it was planes and not helis but it was an eye opener for sure. I understand that last year the ratio of electrics to nitros was about 1-5. This year it was flipped. I believe there was about 30 planes there in total and about a third were nitro. BUT ... only about 5 flew, as nearly all the actual flying planes were electrics. This was partly because some folks brought out their trailer queens to show off but they had no intention of getting them wet. Anyhow ... the other eye opener was that the biggest planes were not nitros but electrics. Yes there were many small electrics there also but the biggest wing span plane I saw was a good foot wider (somewhere around 7-8ft.) than the biggest nitro plane. Plus most electrics had a much easier time getting off the water than the nitros.

Anyhow take what you will from that but it was a surprise to me.

- Chris

Variety+spice+life+supporting_paper_towel_industry=
King2+Rex450+Protos+Concept30
08-29-2008 06:01 PM
 
 
Bad Karma
Veteran
Location: UK

What do I see?

[Rant on]

I see lots more cheap plastic 400 class electrics opening up the hobby to even more people who have the "R/C car racer" mentality.

What I mean by that is that they disrespect helis and disregard safety advice, even when going over to nitro models, thinking that its not going to do much since they are used to R/C cars not doing much.

Since the 400 class was introduced I have seen this problem explode, people just buy a 400 or 450 class model, see it as a toy since its small, electric, and generally cheap, even though it can seriously hurt people, fly them as if they are a toy, not giving a rats ass about what they can do, ie blind a person, permanantly scar someone, or even kill if they hit someone like a kid in the right spot with the tip of the blades.

I have seen this more in the last year and its just scary when you get someone who treats electric 400-450's as toys and then gets a nitro.

I know this may seem harsh but I think there is greater risk from people who start out with indoor electrics not having respect for model helis in general than from people who start out with nitro models, simply because people who start out with nitros are likely to have put more money into it, and will learn respect of the model from things like model size, sound, and the fact its an engine.

What I see is the electric 400 size going from a blessing for the hobby to a curse.

[Rant off]
08-30-2008 02:41 AM
 
 
scamp62
Veteran
Location: Shermen Oaks, CA

just say bye bye to the flybar

Dimmit..I can stop this anytime I want..no..really I can
08-30-2008 02:58 AM
 
 
Bad Karma
Veteran
Location: UK

Why?

Flybar is cheap and works well, flybarless is expensive.

You wont see the end of flybar models at all.
08-30-2008 03:11 AM
 
 
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