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Busher
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Location: Manchester, England

I have just got 2 hyperion 610I nets and I am ompletely confused as to how you know when the charge is completed. What screen tells you when the charge is completed. I think I must of missed the end tune alarm, and all I am getting is a dual tone which I think means that it is in cc/cv mode. I am charging 6 s at 1c in solo mode balance lead connected.
How to get to the info on the screens as it is charging would also be useful if its possible.

frightened to death to try it on another pack until i get some more confidence. Other than that it seems to be very well built.

Any help would be good.

Good luck
Busher

08-27-2008 10:00 AM

kcordell
Veteran
Location: O Fallon, MO

This link has the info and manuals on all of the Hyperion chargers.
It should help, I know on my DUO it says 'END/CHG' on the screen when done after the nice little tune, but it will continue to balance and add mah's after charge completion until you disconnect it.

http://media.hyperion.hk/dn/eos/

Team Futaba, Miniature Aircraft Pilot, YS Engines, VelTye

08-27-2008 01:48 PM

Busher
Veteran
Location: Manchester, England

That's what it is then, The tune plays but at that point it seems to keep balancing, what I don't know is when it plays the tune at the end of charging has it finished the balancing as well and is it just keeping the pack topped up so to speak until you disconnect it.

Thanks for the link, the charger came without instructions as the guy at the model shop I bought it from said the instructions that were in the box weren't up to date so he removed them and told me to go to the site to download the newest manual.

I sat and watched the charger for a pack, and when it ended and played the tune it seem to have reached 100% tcs but I was unsure why at that point it continued to put in extra mah.

I am probably worrying about nothing, but you would expect a decent manual with a charger of this quality. It really seems the dogs b***ks, but I suppose i will get used to it with further use.

Good luck
Busher

08-27-2008 07:08 PM

kcordell
Veteran
Location: O Fallon, MO

If you leave any lipo connected to a balancer, it will continue to balance the pack. It will always pull out of the higher cells to match to the lower cells. Never tried it but I guess if you left one connected to just a balancer, it would draw it all the way down.

Team Futaba, Miniature Aircraft Pilot, YS Engines, VelTye

08-27-2008 09:01 PM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Quote
frightened to death to try it on another pack until i get some more confidence

A man from Manchester expressing fear... something wrong there

After holding down enter to start charging and after the charge has started, You can press the down button to see information about the battery and charger while charging.

Pressing the Mode button twice then the down button three times will land you on the cell voltages screen, where you will also be able to see cells are being balanced with a flashing dot.

Go into User Setup and choose your end tone so you know what to listen for. You should really unplug the pack when charging ends and the charger gives the end alarm.

The charge type changes from CC to CV when the cells are at about 4.0 Volts each. CV charging is very slow so setting the TCS to 90% can avoid this allowing you to charge much faster.

Don't worry about pushing buttons. I'm certain there's nothing you can do to upset the charger while it's charging. Other than lowering the input voltage too much or unplugging the charging pack.

About the only thing you can do it change the chare rate and you know about C ratings already.

08-28-2008 01:40 AM

fergus
Veteran
Location: Ireland

Quote
If you leave any lipo connected to a balancer, it will continue to balance the pack. It will always pull out of the higher cells to match to the lower cells. Never tried it but I guess if you left one connected to just a balancer, it would draw it all the way down.

Yep I can confirm this. Its going back quite a few years but the early fpex2 balancer from flightpower had wrong instructions with it which stated it could be left connected to the pack indefinatley. Two 5s 7400mAh packs just faded away on the shelf unknown to me while I waited for the weather and time to go flying

I thought I was doing the right thing leaving them connected. I like to think ive learned a bit since then

Regards

Fergus

08-28-2008 02:23 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Don't assume the balancers now work in the same way they used to then. The firmware's better too.

I was sure the charger would keep charging the low cells until all cells were upto 4.2 volts. Yes a 'drain' balancer or whatever misnomer you want to use can do that.

I am putting a pack on charge now to see what happens when it ends so I can confirm this.

08-28-2008 03:57 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

The Lowdown is:

CC/CV will END when the pack reaches the pack voltage of the number of cells x 4.2. However that apparently, is not fully charged and some cells may not be at 4.2V. So the Hyp. chargers now go to BLC (Balance) after the main END buzzer. (1.6 firmware). The balancer loads the charged cells to balance out the extra voltage across them from the main power leads to prevent them from charging anymore (same thing as bleeding off the extra current, only the result is the balancer pulls the current, not the charged cell), and the low cells continue to charge until all cells are fully charged.

To the user it will look like the high cells are being discharged. Remember the balancers are not switches, they can control to load they put on the cells. They are working for the charged cells to prevent them from overcharging, since all the cells in a pack are connected in series.

I will have a chance this afternoon to study what a charger actually does. The top statement was from ‘the man.’

08-28-2008 04:17 AM

Busher
Veteran
Location: Manchester, England

Quote

CC/CV will END when the pack reaches the pack voltage of the number of cells x 4.2. However that apparently, is not fully charged and some cells may not be at 4.2V. So the Hyp. chargers now go to BLC (Balance) after the main END buzzer. (1.6 firmware). The balancer loads the charged cells to balance out the extra voltage across them from the main power leads to prevent them from charging anymore (same thing as bleeding off the extra current, only the result is the balancer pulls the current, not the charged cell), and the low cells continue to charge until all cells are fully charged.

To the user it will look like the high cells are being discharged. Remember the balancers are not switches, they can control to load they put on the cells. They are working for the charged cells to prevent them from overcharging, since all the cells in a pack are connected in series.

Thats why I was unsure whether the charger had actually done its job. I realised the charger had got to 100 % tcs and the tune had played, But the charger then continued to be busy and the fan came on and off in regular intervals. If when its in the cc/cv mode and after the tune has played to signify the end of the charge, what should i be looking for on the screen to tell me that its time to disconnect the pack and the pack is finally balanced.
It probably makes no odds at all and the pack could be used directly after the tune has played, but all the other chargers i have had have had a finally charge termination message of some type.

Thanks for every body's inputs to date, it is helping no end.

Good luck
Busher

08-28-2008 07:40 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

While charging you can see here that two cells are fully charged and two are still on the way up. It looks like Cell 4 (bottom right hand corner) is being discharged but in fact its capacity will be staying the same as explained above. The low cells continue to be charged.

The same thing happens when all cells read 4.2 Volts each, but they will all stay at 4.2 Volts.

When the charge finishes the charger will play the end alarm and alternate between these two screens:

08-28-2008 08:45 AM

Busher
Veteran
Location: Manchester, England

Thanks CAM, thats the confirmation I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to photo the finish screens I realise this is not an easy quick job to post.
There is one more question If I may, Is there a hyperion adapter to allow you to charge 2 x 3s1p at once as a 6s1p, thus allowing me to charge 2 packs at once?
And are you really in Japan, you sound as so you hail from the rainy shores of britain?

Thanks for your help

Good luck
Busher

08-28-2008 05:10 PM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Anytime.

There isn't an adaptor.

I'm sure you could charge two 3S pack in series on one port on the DUO. You'd have to make a balance 'Y' lead.

08-29-2008 01:38 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

TWO 3S packs charged as a Single 6S

It works!

For Hyperion packs you have to connect one of the reds to the black on the other plug.
The charger recognised the two 3S packs in series as a single 6S pack.

This is great I can now charge both my TRex 500 packs (each two 3S in series) and charge both 6S packs on a duo at the same time, not that there’s a shortage of Duo’s or anything.

BUT BE WARNED

If you cross-over the 3S plugs you are connecting the -ve balance lead of one pack into the +ve balance lead on the other and since the packs main power cables are together in series... the balance plug light-up bright blue and you start to weld the balance pins together! So now my new harness is useless because I have melted two of the pins!

So do this at your own risk and be very observant when you try it.
But it does work.

08-29-2008 02:32 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Happy Chappy

By the way the little number 3 on the bottom left of the cell-count confirmation screen has nothing to do with the cells. In another photo it's a number 7. It's the 9-second count-down timer for auto-start. (Just in case you are really cocky and think you can walk away from the charger because all your settings are spot-on)!

This is important. I thought I had it sussed then I connect up my second pack, not realising that the two 3S packs were stacked differently... Smoked another balance connector!

Make sure you have the REDs on the same side and none of the wires are crossed!

08-29-2008 03:28 AM

Busher
Veteran
Location: Manchester, England

Thanks for that CAM, the diagrams help and the connector wiring is a good heads up. I will make one in the future to get my trex 450 packs charged in groups of 2.

A big thanks for your input on this problem and not only that you take the time out to try the harness as well. Can't beat a tried and tested method.

Cheers !! have a beer and try not to eat to much sushi.

Good luck
Busher

08-29-2008 08:10 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

Who said I was helping you?

I had the same problem!

Too late on the Beer. Had rice and wierd pork. Might have been jelly fi5h don't kno.

08-29-2008 02:13 PM

kcordell
Veteran
Location: O Fallon, MO

Doesnt' this just go to show the the Hyperion DUO is the best charger for the money? Anybody want a good deal on a TP1010 with 210V balancer? I have two and am ready for my second DUO.

Team Futaba, Miniature Aircraft Pilot, YS Engines, VelTye

08-29-2008 05:39 PM

Jerry Kirwan
Senior Heliman
Location: RichmondTx

Busher

I am still reading the entire thread but I don't think this system will work for 450 packs! What is described is charging two 3s packs wired as a 6s pack which is different than two 450 packs. The 2-3s packs are used together and there for will be at the same discharge state. when charging is begun they will come up together. Two 450 or any other packs used separately will never be at the same discharge state allowing them to be charged together.

Jerry

08-31-2008 03:25 AM

"Cam"
Veteran
Location: Asia

It will work because chances are your packs that are used seperately do get discharged almost the same amount.

If thier cell voltages are too different, the new 1.6 firmware will tell you about a connection error.

09-02-2008 01:21 AM

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