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Aerial Photography and Video > SPHERICAL PRO1 out today

Makiedog
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

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Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capturing is only about 10% of the whole process, the rest is post production. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That is actually only true if in fact the system is not setup correctly.

John, I beg to differ. Typically, the act of capturing one node takes no more than 10 min. Post production takes at least 1.5 to 2 hours (under ideal condition for me), assuming you want to produce a pano of decent, professional quality. But then again, maybe I'm just too slow...

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Makiedog I see you on the other site pumping a new system. Just an FYI R&D is expensive.

I believe I gave your mount a plug too. You can't expect to monopolize the entire market can you?

Pat L

10-09-2008 08:27 PM

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aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

One of the hardest things I find about the whole process is finding that right "group" of frames that stitch the best. We usually crank off several rotations to increase the chances of getting a good group.

If the gimbal is going to swing fore/aft and side to side, just make sure it's dampened properly. It's the large swinging actions that can create problems. Keeping the gimbal close to the CG is important too. I still think there's a lot of fuss over having the rotation around the entrance pupil of the lens. I think more important is proper balance so the mount rotates smoother. I don't think anyone can "park" a heli that good in the sky that it really matters that the rotation is around the entrance pupil.

John,
What gear ratio are you using for the 3.8 second rotation?

Tony

10-09-2008 08:58 PM

Griffo
Senior Heliman
Location: Canberra, Australia

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Capturing is only about 10% of the whole process, the rest is post production.

I agree. PP work should make up around 70 - 90% of a good panorama. While correct setup of the mount can improve things it certainly doesn't reduce workload in any significant way.

I guess it comes back to what kind of quality you want to provide for your customers. I certainly hate to think that any pano I produce for a customer is anything less than perfect.

10-09-2008 11:00 PM

tabbytabb
Elite Veteran
Location: seattle

I agree.

I still remember the first pan I did and I spent over 12 hours on it and it looked like crapola!

Now I can get one done in an hour or so depending on how clean the initial photos are.

Tabb

10-10-2008 12:29 AM

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aambrose
Elite Veteran
Location: Pana, IL

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I still remember the first pan I did and I spent over 12 hours on it and it looked like crapola!

Let's see it!

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Now I can get one done in an hour or so depending on how clean the initial photos are.

I haven't reached that point yet.

Tony

10-10-2008 02:39 PM

rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

I find the biggest time saver is how windy it is. Zero wind will make it much easier and result in faster post processing. Even when you shoot a pano on the ground with a nodal ninja etc. it takes much more time then what John is talking about. John doesn't fix his sky for on thing. Trust me John doesn't have any special setup or anything with his GSR and modified Mini Pro or work flow for that matter. The sales pitch gets thick after awhile and would be very nice and mature if you could step out of that "suit".

10-10-2008 02:48 PM

oakley
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

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The sales pitch gets thick after awhile and would be very nice and mature if you could step out of that "suit".

He is a salesman.You cant blame a guy for trying to make a buck in this economy.He has some expensive 'toys' to keep up.

If you think about it,any good company is going to push their goods in order to keep the money flowing.

10-10-2008 03:02 PM

rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

I have to agree with that but sometimes it gets frustrating. I guess I could also not read or visit this site but I work in front of a computer all day crunching numbers so I need something to do.

10-10-2008 03:08 PM

Makiedog
Senior Heliman
Location: Minneapolis

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He is a salesman.You cant blame a guy for trying to make a buck in this economy.

That is precisely my original point. My advice to provide useful educational info for the entire process on manufacturers' site will only help with sales. It builts credibility and affinity with the customers. In my line of work, we call this edu-marketing.

Pat L

10-10-2008 03:17 PM

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oakley
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

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we call this edu-marketing.

That is a relatively new concept I think.

I dont see hardly any sites with this type of marketing,if there is then that would be why others dont concern themselves with the extra work.

10-10-2008 03:38 PM

theslayer
Senior Heliman
Location: Munich-Germany

Not looking good John, isn't it. A lot of people to fight up against.
Well, good that i am waiting for the VR360 from the secret mount-making master...

Daniel

10-10-2008 04:41 PM

rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

Edu-marketing:

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In this new reality, it's the customer who, for the most part, runs the show.

Customers are using technology to learn about the company behind the product and services they purchase along with dissecting every element of the product via self-education-and that fundamentally changes everything.

Capturing the customer's attention is no longer possible by simply putting your message "out there." An emphasis on knowledge creation calls for bold changes.

10-10-2008 05:03 PM

AirFoilAviation
Veteran
Location: IL.

If the question is do we have some type of special equipment to let us shoot and finish spherical's fast? No we sell the same equipment we fly.

That's the way AirFoil has worked for 12 years now with no changes in site. It's really quite simple. If you want to start shooting spherical's in about 3 days we ship you a system and you are in business. You want to do the R&D yourself? Nothing wrong with that just understand it takes a while to get a proven product.

If it's competition you seem to think hurts us there has been I think 4 company's go by the way side mainly do to the fact they can't mass produce and never really did R&D.

I personally think some want it to look impossible to the beginner to make them selves look more knowledgeable. I just post how we do it. In over 60 spherical mount's shipped not one complaint.

You guys are doing great work no doubt. I give the customer what he asks for in a QT or product. The guy actually writing the check.

I would put any of our products up against and other brands for durability/Reliability/ user friendliness and a professional working system any time.

At the end of the day do you want a product proven over the years that looks like new after you have owned it a year or a picture on a bench of what it maybe able to do?

BTW most of my customers that visit forums like this don't come back mainly because they want to make a living at something they love not read about how impossible or hard it is.

John

Team AirFoil

10-10-2008 05:33 PM

iflybyu77
Key Veteran
Location: Fort Wayne, IN

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If you want to start shooting spherical's in about 3 days we ship you a system and you are in business. You want to do the R&D yourself? Nothing wrong with that just understand it takes a while to get a proven product.

You sell PTGui, Photoshop, Pano2VR or Flash Panorama Player and the experience it takes to make the spherical with the mount? Or the website development? Or the marketing skills? Or the eye for photography? Setup skills for tuning the machine? Oh and flying it? All for the price of a camera mount. What a deal!

Of course I'm being stupid and making it sound simple AND giving you a hard time. I'd still say it's a disservice to the broader, PROFESSIONAL community that do A/P. I cannot believe 60 people have bought spherical mounts. There simply isn't the market for it IMO (that is for the people to buy the mount, not necessarily for the end result). There certainly haven't been that many people who have shown and interest or capability of doing it in any of the forums that cater to A/P.

Sphericals sound simple. I beg to differ - they aren't.

10-10-2008 08:51 PM

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iflybyu77
Key Veteran
Location: Fort Wayne, IN

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BTW most of my customers that visit forums like this don't come back mainly because they want to make a living at something they love not read about how impossible or hard it is.

That I find to be highly unlikely. This (and other sites like it) have been the finest incubators for idea exchange and development. Anyone who thinks they are "above" RR or HF's forums are destined (IMO) for irrelevance once they crash that pretty new setup they just bought from you.

My apologies in advance for sounding disrespectful.

10-10-2008 08:55 PM

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rerazor
Elite Veteran
Location: Mich.

I'm surprised out of 60 spherical pro 1's sold not one person has posted on this forum about their mount of even a pano shot with it.

I'm also curious how people find out about mount company's other than forums or word of mouth.

I'm sure with the advent of the "new" company things will begin to heat up.

I have a Pro 1 for sale if anybody is interested.

10-10-2008 09:18 PM

oakley
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

There has to be a fairly large market of people buying mounts etc. and not posting here or other forums.There are several AP mount companies staying in business.(and new ones popping up)
Lets face it,many that buy these things dont sit around wasting there time showing off to one another and asking and answering questions.Most are likely doing AP and living their lives.