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Radio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt > 7703d different question
 
 
michael88997
Key Veteran
Location: northern texas, us

ok i had this gyro on my hurricane 550 and it was awesome. i put the exact one onto my trex 500 and the tail drifts to the left, it also bounces that way, the other way it is rock solid. i set the tail up mechanically in the wind so i will have to check it again but has anybody else had this problem?


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Performance Plus Rc Field Rep
trex 500, scorpion motor
08-22-2008 07:20 PM
 
 
Heli 770
Elite Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

The biggest problem is getting expo on it. The Futaba 401s has it built in. Less tuning. The 770 3D is a better gyro, once it's set up. It won't blow the tail out on some moves like the 401 dose.
08-22-2008 08:04 PM
 
 
Pinecone
Key Veteran
Location: Maryalnd

Also you need to work on the distance out the servo ball is located. Closer seems to be better (higher limit setting).

Terry
Blade CP
Trex 450 SE
QJ EP8v2 EX
Gaui Hurricane 550
Vibe 50
08-23-2008 02:12 AM
 
 
michael88997
Key Veteran
Location: northern texas, us

i have it the closest i can get... sombody told me their settings for this setup so im going to try them out and see... i had my gain alot higher than theirs


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Performance Plus Rc Field Rep
trex 500, scorpion motor
08-23-2008 02:30 AM
 
 
jtg13
Heliman
Location: So Cal

Hi Michael,
The only time I've seen this (and I've seen it happen on quite a few setups with this gyro) is when the rate mode has not been properly mechanically setup for no drift. Please check and adjust the linkage again mechanically in rate mode. If the rate mode is not setup for no yaw, it will always show as a bounce in one direction (overshoot) and if you pay close attention it will undershoot in the other direction, which is not so obvious if you're not looking for it (the tail doesn't quite make it to the intended heading). Please try the rate mode adjustment again by mechanically adjusting the linkage and see if that helps.
08-23-2008 08:11 AM
 
 
Pinecone
Key Veteran
Location: Maryalnd

You don't setup a 770 3D for rate mode. It is not like other gyros.

Terry
Blade CP
Trex 450 SE
QJ EP8v2 EX
Gaui Hurricane 550
Vibe 50
08-23-2008 01:43 PM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

They hold much better if you set it up so it doesn't drift in rate mode. I've had that solve a slow drift in heading hold, as well. Take the 2 minutes and set the tail up with a proper mechanical setup, you will be rewarded with better performance for it.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
08-23-2008 04:36 PM
 
 
jtg13
Heliman
Location: So Cal

Pinecone,
You MUST setup a JR 770 3D for no drift in rate mode for it to work correctly in heading hold mode, and in this respect it is not like other gyros. Most gyros don't require this, but the 770 does.
08-23-2008 09:57 PM
 
 
Pinecone
Key Veteran
Location: Maryalnd

Have you read the instructions? No mention of rate mode setup.

And many people, are running it setup EXACTLY like the instruction say.

Terry
Blade CP
Trex 450 SE
QJ EP8v2 EX
Gaui Hurricane 550
Vibe 50
08-24-2008 01:48 AM
 
 
AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Star Ship Enterprise

You are right about the instructions not mentioning setting it up in rate mode first. I had a drift problem when I first installed mine. Setting it up in rate mode helped get rid of some of it. Changing to zeal tape got rid of the rest of the drift. Then I had to deal with the bounce through turns. I had to turn down the gain until the bounce is gone. Now, I am happy with this gyro. So, for me, setting it up in rate mode, and using zeal tape got rid of a drift. Turning down the gain got rid of the bounce.

Man, I miss the eighties.
08-24-2008 02:03 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Yes, I have read the instructions, I've owned 4 of them since they were first released (I pre-ordered 1 back when they were first announced), and they ALL held better if I set it up in rate mode. When I got that first one I slapped it on and didn't do the rate setup and was disappointed when it drifted and would let go on tail slides. Then I set it up in rate mode, and it held perfect. Same with all of the 770s I've owned, and if you do a search, it's made a lot of other people's 770s work better as well. Why wouldn't you want to set your tail up so it is correct mechanically?


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
08-24-2008 02:28 AM
 
 
michael88997
Key Veteran
Location: northern texas, us

well i tried to set it up but the day i did it was very windy so i guess i need to recheck it on a calm day


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Performance Plus Rc Field Rep
trex 500, scorpion motor
08-24-2008 04:04 AM
 
 
jtg13
Heliman
Location: So Cal

Michael,
I setup this gyro on another TRex 500 (with a DX7 radio) today and it was awesome. Here is what we did, depending on your radio you may have some differences.

1)Used Gear travel adjust instead of gyro (personal preference but gyro works fine too). Final travel adjust was 21 (this would equate to about 62% if you use the gyro feature..same thing though)

2)Set rudder channel travel adjust to 100/100. I know the instructions say use 150/150, and that will work fine, but you will use a lower dual rate number to get the desired piro rate if you do. Peraonal preference, use whatever you like.

3)set rudder dual rate to 88% (lower if you used 150/150 travel adjust). I like a piro rate of around 900deg/sec which is 2 1/2 piro per sec... adjust to your taste.

4)set rudder expo to 60%. THIS IS IMPORTANT. As in the instructions, 40% expo is actually linear. This is equivalent to 0% expo on other gyros. At 40% expo the tail will stop like a rock and is generally way to hard a stop for most people. If you use 0% expo you can easily strip belt teeth or crown gears in torque tube drives since you are in essence running negative expo. I find 50% to 60% will give a firm but smooth stop with this gyro. Once again personal preference will dictate this number. Try 60% expo and work from there for a safe starting point for setup. I have found less than 50% expo will give a bit of a bounce on hard stops, and less than 40% will give severe stops and bounce.

5)adjust the end stops with the pot on the gyro

6)put the bird in a hover in rate mode and adjust your linkage or slide your tail servo mount on the boom until you have no left/right drift in a hover at the headspeed you will be flying at. This means you are NOT using a linear throttle curve in normal mode for an electric heli like the TRex 500. It will be more like 0,85,90,95,100 or however you like your normal mode throttle curve... or use governor mode if you prefer that. The important thing is to have your headspeed at the desired flying speed in a hover to mechanically set the rudder linkage. If you set the linkage at a low headspeed it will probably not be no drift at the flying headspeed because of the change in torque at higher headspeed and the efficiency of the tail blades at a higher headspeed. This is important.

7)re-adjust the end stops with the pot on the gyro since you have probably changed the neutral position in step 6 and you don't want to bind your linkage.

8)if you are using Spekrum or JR 2.4GHz radios re-bind to store the new rudder neutral point

9)go fly and fine tune the gain, expo, and piro rate (use rudder dual rate for piro rate) to your taste

Hopefully this will get you on the right track and let you enjoy this awesome gyro. Hope this makes sense.
08-24-2008 06:53 AM
 
 
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