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HIROBO Freya - Sceadu - Shuttle > Hirobo Turbulence D3 pricing
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Exactly, that wasn't a low blow, I repeated what you said and said that you can't call that low quality. If I drove my Spectra into the ground tomorrow, would I then call it low quality? No, it's built to fly, not crash, and using crash damage as an example of low quality is ridiculous. If you consider that a low blow, then you insulted yourself, and I repeated it.

As for your other problems, sorry you had them. I didn't, and they obviously aren't widespread. We all get a dud from time to time.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
08-12-2008 02:06 PM
 
 
Nate735
Senior Heliman
Location: New Jersey

I wonder if you could upgrade a Freya/Xspec to the new D3 That would be sweet.
08-12-2008 04:28 PM
 
 
Henrik Engert
Key Veteran
Location: Cedar Park, TX

It probably would cost you a bunch. Looks like the frame is different. The rotor head alone will set you back around $450-$500

Hirobo XSpec EVO
Futaba 12Z FASST
08-12-2008 04:30 PM
 
 
jamming
Senior Heliman
Location: rockport,wa

WOW ! $1500.00 for a frame thats crazy. I would rather have two 700n's or a avant aurora. Is this the trend to make .90's almost unavailable to the average consumer. I would at least like to see a all metal tail box for that change. So your talking close to 5 grand for a proper set-up. Wonder if state farm has insurance for crashes. LOL !
08-12-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
hornet dave
Veteran
Location: Pittsburgh PA USA

High end helis have never been intended for the average consumer.

LaHeli Maxir - The only micro that matters
08-12-2008 06:30 PM
 
 
A&J
Senior Heliman
Location: Hudson FL 34667

You kwon the street price will lower ... But how much ?

Have to wait and see

Lets do the time warp againnn !
08-12-2008 10:44 PM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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WOW ! $1500.00 for a frame thats crazy.

Say what? Last I checked, the $1500 price was for an entire helicopter, not just a frame . . . .



- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
08-12-2008 11:56 PM
 
 
dan-uk
New Heliman
Location: Bangkok, Thailand

You guys make me chuckle Personally I can't choose between my EX2 or 700, they are both great helis! The build quality of the 700 is fantastic, much better than the 600. The D3... must have one! Not sure how much the CF frames will cost though but what the hell... Happy flying
08-21-2008 04:02 PM
 
 
Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

The rotor head alone will set you back around $450-$500

If bought overseas, it will. If you order direct from MRC, the price is under $400.

Ben Minor

Representing
MRC Hirobo Helicopters and Team Futaba for Radios
Morgan Fuels
OS Engines
08-21-2008 05:49 PM
 
 
Henrik Engert
Key Veteran
Location: Cedar Park, TX

I think it's great of MRC to make the price as low as they can for the rotor head alone. Apparently they have succeeded

Hirobo XSpec EVO
Futaba 12Z FASST
08-21-2008 06:08 PM
 
 
MRC-Hirobo
Key Veteran
Location: Edison, NJ

Hello Everyone,

I have some answers to some of your inquiries regarding this helicopter and its components:

1. Since MRC does not currently have MAP pricing, vendors can sell our products for whatever price they'd like over their cost. So, it is very possible you may find a better price if you go through a hobby shop rather then MRC direct.

2. I personaly built the first Turbulence kit in America with the assistance of one of my reps Mark Scneider, Dominik Haegele, Hansi Haegele (Dom's dad), and Albert (Haegele's mechanic and Team Mikado assistant). We took pictures of all of the components for each step and video taped the build (build video coming soon in HD). While I'm sure many will say I'm biased, in all honesty the build didn't require any sanding, dremeling, hammering, re-machining, "upgrade" parts or other outside influence or persuation to make the kit go together as outlined in the manual.

Even dial indicating the clutch... I snugged it on and was at .0027", tightened more to .002, did my final tightening and it dropped to .001. Perfect!

Getting the main shaft to slide into its bearing blocks with little resistance took several minutes of adjusting the tightening sequence of the blocks to get it nice and smooth.

At any rate, the build went smoothly, the flying was incredibly smooth, as commented by Ben Minor, the head allowed for exacting control and you weren't chasing it to keep it in one spot like some other designs. Also, the interaction is practically nill WITHOUT any radio mixing.

This heli is about a 1/2 pound lighter then a fully decked out Freya with the same equipment.

3. The Turbulence D3 head, SSR-4 is now available to pre-order directly from MRC for $379.98 + $8. You can call me direct 732.225.2100 x227 to purchase. This will fit any Freya and comes with everything you need to convert the heli. This head makes the old machine feel nearly a pound lighter and much more agile.

Also, regarding the Hirobo Quality compaired to other brands... Quality isn't just about how well parts fit together and hold up, its also about the company behind the product. MRC has been around for over half a century, we're accessible, timely and seek to provide excellent customer service...something that seems to be lacking elsewhere these days.

Either way for those of you who are wanting to see what a Hirobo can do check out Mark Ryder's videos for the XFC and IRCHA with Dominik Haegele at the sticks.



-Greg G.-
08-21-2008 06:58 PM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

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1. Since MRC does not currently have MAP pricing, vendors can sell our products for whatever price they'd like over their cost. So, it is very possible you may find a better price if you go through a hobby shop rather then MRC direct.

Not to nitpick, but the "A" in "MAP" is "Advertised". Anyone can sell any product for any price they like, MAP or not . . . what they are restricted in doing is advertising a lower price, which is a different issue all together. Note the stores that say "Call for price" . . . in a lot of cases, they are below MAP, and that's how they get around that anti-competitive absurdity of marketing known as MAP . . . .

As far as I know, there is no legal means for any vendor to force a reseller to sell at any given price. Those practices are known as "price fixing" or "retail price management" and are clearly violations of the Federal Trade Commision rules . . .

http://www.ftc.gov.bb/html/news/ant...nts_article.htm

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
08-21-2008 07:50 PM
 
 
MRC-Hirobo
Key Veteran
Location: Edison, NJ

Tim,

The facts you highlighted are the primary reasons why MRC has been reluctant to implement MAP pricing.

-Greg G.-
08-21-2008 08:01 PM
 
 
tadawson
Elite Veteran
Location: Lewisville, TX

And I applaud you heartily for that! I consider MAP to be one of the biggest attempts to rip off the customer to come down the pike in a while! One more reason I am glad that I fly Hirobo and deal with MRC!

- Tim

The more I touch electrics, the more I grow to hate them . . . .
08-22-2008 12:22 AM
 
 
Aerowizzard
Heliman
Location: Laval, Qc. Canada

Bravo to Hirobo for the quality, workmanship and followup they gave to their customers products for years.

I have been flying rc helicopters since 1983 with my 1st machine being an Heliboy followed shortly after by an Hirobo Lama for .61 with every mechanical control (no gyro etc...) I built and flew Hirobo for 10 years in a row without having to complaint on any machines sold by Hirobo.

Scale models where expensive for the time but every helicopter flew with the same quality and pleasure.

I took a brake for 12 years an I have been back in a completly different market in summer of 2007.

If people think that 1500$ for a D3 is too much money, I think that you forgot a few things.

You buy a TRex 450 SE2 for close to 500$ in a box that is so small that, the first time I saw a TRex 450 box, I tought that it was only the bolts and canopy in the box.

So 1500$ for a .90 heli that seems to be a true professionnal helicopter is not very expensive or out of price. I am sure that Hirobo never expect to sell them by thousands and have BO for 2 years to come.

When I see heli flyers buying bling.. bling and shiny upgrade for the look, someting is going wrong or I am on the wrong track.

I bought 2 Sceadu Evo this year and every machine is straight and fun to fly. I also bought a TRex600N, built it, flew it and sell it after it's maiden flight, so.......

I will perhaps never buy a Turbulence D3 not because of money but for the kind of flying I do I am well served with what I got right now.

Probably that Hirobo said the truth when they presented the D3 as a Professionnal helicopter.

08-23-2008 02:12 AM
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

The thing to remember here is that this is a purpose built heli. That purpose being to fly 3D maneuvers. Almost all helis are capable of this type of flight but this machine is purposely designed to withstand the rigors of that sort of flight envelope over a long period of time.

Look at the latest generation of 3D machines. The tail drive comes from below the main gear which gives more clearance for the main disk to displace. A lot of current machines are a boom strikes waiting to happen. We've all seen this sort of thing.

The clutch is quite a bit bigger than current clutch designs, the auto hub included. The tail may be plastic and belt driven but if you're prone to dragging the tail once in a while this may be an advantage to you. Either way it works well enough to win contests with.

The head is very much rooted in the Schluter System 80 design mixing system that the majority of 3D machines are currently using with a few Hirobo touches to ice the cake so to speak. It does 120 or 135 degree CCPM right out of the box with a large diameter teeter rubber assembly that will hang in their with the hardest 3D. That means no aftermarket rubbers to buy. All in all the head is built tough.

The engineering that is put into the machine is evident because Dan and Mark built one at the Jamboree and didn't have any build issues at all. Chances are real good that a modeler won't either. You don't have to paint the canopy if you don't want to because the stickers are decent to look at but the mold quality is very clean and the canopy is gel coated and will take paint real well if you desire.

Is this thing better than current helis? Only the end user can decide if the investment is worth the return. All I can say is, if you like Hirobo machines and think they are worth the investment, if you are a current Hirobo owner wanting to step up to a world class heli, take a look for yourself. I saw it at IRCHA and it is going to be a great heli. Is it for everyone? Wait until you see them at your local field or fun fly and make the decision.

TM

Buying tools is half of the equation, knowing how to use them is the other. - T Moore
08-24-2008 08:04 PM
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slant911
Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV. Hirobo, Magnum Fuels, MAH

I've said it before so many times I am blue, but I'll say it again....

There are NO free lunches in life. You get what you pay for. If you think that buying (2) of one machine is a better deal than buying one of a superior product then you are sadly mistaken that the quality will be the same and that it will fly as good. It will not. Quality costs money. Tight machining tolerances costs lots of money. Your half price machines will NEVER stay together as long and be slop free. You'll go through the 2 machines in a year or two. My quality machine won't even be broken in by that time and will last another 5 years after with the same amount of flying time.

But following your logic..Why would you ever want/buy a Ferrari? A yugo will get you there. Hell you could buy a whole fleet of Yugo's for the same price as one Ferrari.


John B. McNamara
08-28-2008 05:25 PM
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mkeigwin
Senior Heliman
Location: Marietta GA usa

right on . i tell that to every one that aks me what to get. you pay for what you get.

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08-29-2008 02:38 AM
 
 
davidevo50
Heliman
Location: Montreal, PQ, Canada

Well said!!!

Sceadu Evo 50 SWM, O.S. Hyper, Hatori SB50 HP, Radix 600 / T-Rex SE stock, Hyperion 3s 2100 16c
08-29-2008 02:40 AM
 
 
hootowl
Elite Veteran
Location: Garnet Valley, Pa.

Looks like a winner to me. Hirobo strikes again with a world class design at a competitive price considering some of it's competition's quality.

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08-29-2008 12:57 PM
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