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e-Electric Motors & Controllers > Question: Higher KV and higher gearing = higher output to the Blades?
 
 
Janis
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Location: Århus, Denmark

High Guys,

A question. Since I am new to electric 12s I have a question regarding the KV from a Motor.
Now I have a Kontronik 30-12 which is only allowed to drive with max 15000 upm. So my gearing in my 90 heli is 7,69:1. The Power is ok for a 12s newbe and much more than my 90 Webra with Pipe.

If we now take the new scorpion Range 4035-there are two I could be interested in.
550 KV and 630 KV. Both are rated to 4200 Watts.
So wouldn't that mean that the 630 KV would have more output to the blade since it has to be geared hihger e.g. 13:1-14:1 to 11:1 - 12:1 for the 550 KV? ?
We are talking about 12s only.

What are your thaughts about this?

Regards from Denmark

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08-08-2008 08:54 AM
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red_z06
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Location: Dumont, NJ

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t449950p1/

Above will give you a bit of info on kv vs torque etc.

www.justinchi.com
08-08-2008 01:13 PM
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Janis
Senior Heliman
Location: Århus, Denmark

Thank you I will read that:-)

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08-08-2008 01:36 PM
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red_z06
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Location: Dumont, NJ

Here is cut & paste from above link


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For non geared application, lower kv means more torque to turn bigger blades/props. A motor with 1000kv may have twice the torque than one with 2000kv. But, 1000kv motor will have 1/2 of the gearing mechanical advantage when compared to 2000kv motor.

For example, 1000kv will require 10:1 gearing for 10x increase in torque at the output. 2000kv will be 20:1 with 20x mechanical leverage. In the end, there will be same available output shaft torque.

In general, higher kv motors have less wind resistance (less loss through winding). But, typically these advantages are too small to be seen by a pilot doing his thing. In reality, it is much more complicated to look at one number (kv, wind resistance etc) to determime.

Good rule to stick to when selecting a motor is so that you can gear up or down by 2 tooth in each direction. When you get a motor that is too fast, you will be able to make it faster (useless) but will not be able to to slow it down due to the physical limitation of the pinion itself. Smallest pinion would have a little more frictional loss than a larger one due to how these gears are cut. I have not seen too many RC manufacturers use involute gear profiles to cut their gears due to cost and simplicity.

In general, 450 class motors use 3.2mm shaft have pinions ranging from 10-20+ teeth. So, selecting a motor that will suit you at 12t minimum will give you a good starting point.

So, as you go to higher KV (assumtion is same motor size), torque will be less but you get it back due to mechanical advantage with higher gear ratio where you give up the speed for the torque.

www.justinchi.com
08-08-2008 01:47 PM
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Janis
Senior Heliman
Location: Århus, Denmark

Yes the Moro size is the same. So there is no atvantage to get amotor with higher KV.

Thanks for the clarification.

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08-08-2008 02:01 PM
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red_z06
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Location: Dumont, NJ

In e conversion, the availability of the proper gear ratio pretty much dictate what kv motor you have to get. Another thing to remember is not to lower the head speed by way of ESC throttle curve. If you have to lower the throttle curve below 80% for your ideal head speed, consider changing the gear ratio, # cells, Kv.

Since, gear ration requires the least investment, consider that route first then, different KV, # cells in that order.

www.justinchi.com
08-08-2008 02:16 PM
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