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e-Electric General Discussion > what does the KV mean for an electric motor?
 
 
FenderBean
Key Veteran
Location: savannah, Ga

Im looking into getting a better motor for a 500, but im looking at some and they have like 6 motors all for 500 but all havfe diff KVs 1400, 1600, 1900 et et. there all the same price also
08-03-2008 02:36 AM
 
 
Heli 770
Elite Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

It's the RPM per volts with no load.
08-03-2008 02:43 AM
 
 
"Cam"
Veteran
Location: UK

Yes the Scorpion motors all rev at different rpm.

The KV means rpm-per-volt. So you multiply the Kv number by the battery voltage and that will be how fast the motor spins without any load.

Motors are made with different Kv’s by winding the stators in different ways and changing the magnet arrangements. This also gives the motors different torque characteristics and throttle response – but you can only decide that one if you test all of them side-by-side.

A high Kv motor will rev faster and turn more freely by hand. Also drawing less amps – low Kv motors are sometimes called “Soft” motors.

A 2-turn motor for example will have a very low Kv and not rev much. It will also feel “clunky” to turn by hand and also pull a lot of amps and accelerate very quickly!

For the TRex 500 you will want the HK-3026-1400 or 1600. I’ve been flying the 1400 on a 14T pinion on 2500 6S and there’s not much the heli can’t do!

For example in the Hurricane 550, I had "Blue" 3520's of 8T, 10T, 12T, 14T and 16-Turn and I geared them all to give the same headspeed. But the 14T gave the longest flightimes and held it's rpm the best when the blade load was changed rapidly. Also pulled-through where other makes of motor bogged and let the tail blow-out.
08-03-2008 02:45 AM
 
 
FenderBean
Key Veteran
Location: savannah, Ga

why not the 1900? i read a write up on comparision between the align, scorpion and a few others and there are not much of a difference
08-03-2008 04:02 AM
 
 
FenderBean
Key Veteran
Location: savannah, Ga

here read this

http://www.trextuning.com/500-5s-test.php
08-03-2008 04:03 AM
 
 
paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

Higher the KV the faster it spins, the lower the slower but more torque/

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08-04-2008 06:39 AM
 
 
heliraptor10
Veteran
Location: kokomo, in-US

Is there something that gives you an indication of torque?

What would be a good 450 motor?

The motor I have now seems fine (reviews place it as one of the best features of the ESKY Belt CP)
but If I have to replace it I may upgrade.
08-04-2008 04:22 PM
 
 
paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

anything 3500+ KV, 4400KV is probly the highest you want to go for a 450. go get a scorpion 2221-8

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08-05-2008 09:34 PM
 
 
heliraptor10
Veteran
Location: kokomo, in-US

I was looking at that one actually.

But I am still curious if there is a way to know the torque of a motor.
08-05-2008 10:44 PM
 
 
paintball_kidz
Veteran
Location: Surrey, BC Canada

I am not sure, I'm just told that the lower the KV the more torque it has - when I was looking for a motor for a foamie.

I will build your heli for free.
08-07-2008 08:08 AM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Torque (kt) formula is:

kt = 1355 / kv

However, in reality, its not that simple to get the lowest kv motor of its type, since you get mechanical torque from a motor spinning faster.

Other things affects too, where the ESC works most efficent etc.


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08-07-2008 09:40 AM
 
 
red_z06
Elite Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

For non geared application, lower kv means more torque to turn bigger blades/props. A motor with 1000kv may have twice the torque than one with 2000kv. But, 1000kv motor will have 1/2 of the gearing mechanical advantage when compared to 2000kv motor.

For example, 1000kv will require 10:1 gearing for 10x increase in torque at the output. 2000kv will be 20:1 with 20x mechanical leverage. In the end, there will be same available output shaft torque.

In general, higher kv motors have less wind resistance (less loss through winding). But, typically these advantages are too small to be seen by a pilot doing his thing. In reality, it is much more complicated to look at one number (kv, wind resistance etc) to determime.

Good rule to stick to when selecting a motor is so that you can gear up or down by 2 tooth in each direction. When you get a motor that is too fast, you will be able to make it faster (useless) but will not be able to to slow it down due to the physical limitation of the pinion itself. Smallest pinion would have a little more frictional loss than a larger one due to how these gears are cut. I have not seen too many RC manufacturers use involute gear profiles to cut their gears due to cost and simplicity.

In general, 450 class motors use 3.2mm shaft have pinions ranging from 10-20+ teeth. So, selecting a motor that will suit you at 12t minimum will give you a good starting point.

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08-07-2008 12:53 PM
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FenderBean
Key Veteran
Location: savannah, Ga

thanks for the info.
08-07-2008 03:22 PM
 
 
beeflyer2
Key Veteran
Location: Woodstock, GA - US

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why not the 1900?

The 1900 is intended for use with 5S packs. If you are running 6S, the RPM will be too high. Not good on the motor bearings and probably not very efficient.
08-11-2008 11:54 AM
 
 
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