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Thunder Tiger Raptors 30-90 - Imperio > RAPTOR 50 New TT50 design !!
 
 
Rbush
Key Veteran
Location: The sheep factory, Wales

Does anybody know if Thunder Tiger is going to respond to the ongoing pressure of the other manufactures for newer models?

I think we all know the Raptor is an unbeatable machine 'OVER ALL', but it's getting a bit 'long in the tooth'.

It's high time for a new fresh model (the Titan does NOT count!), something to take on the Vibe 50, 600N etc.

(Not that I care about Hirobo, but I think they could do with a new model as well?)

Seem's to me that TT and Hirobo have given up and letting the others take over

That was a silly place to put the ground !
07-29-2008 11:50 PM
 
 
Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Hirobo released the Sceadu EX last year.

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07-29-2008 11:52 PM
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Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Does TT NEED a new helicopter? They still sell.

I went to a well-known online retailer as a walk-in customer. I was very surprised to see that they had more Raptor kits than any other brand on the floor.
The Raptor spares on the wall took up a pretty significant chunk of space. They had more aftermarket upgrade parts for the Raptor line than they had for any other helicopter.

I imagine that says SOMETHING.

I think TT might be better off manufacturing and selling their "old" kit, which is a proven design and still a hot seller.
...Instead of investing a whole ton of money in a new helicopter, that may or may not succeed.

I have a feeling the executives at Thunder Tiger know what they're doing.

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07-30-2008 12:05 AM
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Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

Looks like the market has gone to all those small electrics – they are taking over the world

... BTS
07-30-2008 12:09 AM
 
 
Rbush
Key Veteran
Location: The sheep factory, Wales

As you can see from my gallery, I'm Raptor all the way. Over all, it can't be beaten. It's not the best at everything but it's got everything covered very well. I've no doubt TT know what they are doing, but the buying public are a funny lot.

The constantly expanding product range and ever increasing dominance of Align must be making it's mark in TT's sales? even if TT is a better product over all?

The Hirobo EX is not a new product, it's just a £1000 Sceadu with all there bling bolted to it, just like a Titan is just a stretched Raptor.

At some point TT is going to have to move on from the Raptor or it will die, it's the natural way of things. People get board and move on.

That was a silly place to put the ground !
07-30-2008 12:15 AM
 
 
AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Something is happening at TT..

http://www.innovator-rc.com/

Watch this space
07-30-2008 12:33 AM
 
 
storman1969
Senior Heliman
Location: Timmins,Ontario

RBush We ear you but all we are saying is that they will not fix what is proven that is not broken, it is still the most popular rc heli in the world....

We will See what Innovator rc is all about soon so we can see what all the fuss is about.

I bet the best we will get is few upgrades like 120 ECCPM. but everything else is working.

Keep your eyes in the sky I might be Flying Yeeeeeh!!!!
07-30-2008 01:26 AM
 
 
west-wot
Senior Heliman
Location: u.k

what would you acutaly want to change

i mean the frames are duable and cheap better than carbom IMO

140 ccpm would b a good upgreade but is not needed

the head is a good desgin more pitch wouldb nice but is not needed

the tail is perfect i think not much u could do to improve it
07-30-2008 09:31 PM
 
 
Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

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the tail is perfect i think not much u could do to improve it

Huh? Where does a guy start?

* That POS stock hub they include
* an open tail case design for inspection purposes.
* that plastic pulley that ALWAYS seems to lose the retaining pin

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07-30-2008 09:35 PM
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west-wot
Senior Heliman
Location: u.k

4got about tha stock hub they should include the sus like you do onthe 903d if iam correct
07-30-2008 09:38 PM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

Well, I'd imagine they'd have to do something sooner or later. I mean, just assuming, but I would guess that the sales have gone down by at least 30% or more since before Align hit the market and took over. I mean, I go to the fields now where Raptor ruled and now its just Align everywhere you look.

Just wanted to add, when I worked in the industry when Raptors were king and Align wasn't out yet, the kits that I had the best stock of were the ones I didn't sell

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
07-30-2008 09:44 PM
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Dirthead
Heliman
Location: Thornton Co.

I think I would like to see TT come up with a torque tube for the o'le raptor that silly retaining pin has become quite an expensive little POS!!

Keep ur head out the dirt only in the grass
07-31-2008 08:09 AM
 
 
Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

Torque Tube – LOL

The only reason that Align went to a torque tube is that they messed up the belt design on the Trex 500. Raptor has a simple and elegant belt drive that is efficient and very trouble free.



... BTS
07-31-2008 11:21 AM
 
 
JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

That stupid Innovator Ad looks like it's advertising a new SCALE heli. Blecht. TT are getting their proverbial arse handed to them by Align, and they deserve it too. Sitting on their bloody laurels WAY too long. For hardcore 3D'ers the ole Rappy just doesn't cut it anymore. Sad but true. Look at the flying fields and see what is popular. It sure isn't Raptors anymore.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
07-31-2008 11:25 AM
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RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

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they messed up the belt design on the Trex 500

Ok, mine works fine and so has all the Trex 600 belts I've had and seen too. Also, I can't even count how many Raptor 30's and 50's I've owned, V1 and V2 with belts that worked great, never ever had a pin issue. The only issue I ever had with a Raptor was the V1 hub when it had the long set screws, lost a few blade grips.

Chris
Xero G

Forever Brothers
Mickey Tylo
07-31-2008 02:33 PM
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hornet dave
Veteran
Location: Pittsburgh PA USA

All the new guys at my field show up with raptor 50's. They still sell very well and work great for beginners and intermediates.

I'm starting to think that TT's marketing is doing a good job. The market for "hardcore 50 size 3D helis" is, imho, a lot smaller than the beginner & intermediate market, and already has several very capable, similarly priced helis with which TT would have to compete if they targeted this market. On the other hand, when you think of a beginner's 50 size nitro, how many helis come to mind these days? The raptor 50 I think pretty much owns that market.

All is fine and dandy until you start complain that the raptor 50 isn't a hardcore 3D heli. And it isn't! When it's time to move up to a more capable heli, sell the rappie 50 and get something with a 3D head and ccpm. Don't waste time and money trying to turn the raptor 50 into something that it isn't.

LaHeli Maxir - The only micro that matters
07-31-2008 03:41 PM
 
 
S Bell
Senior Heliman
Location: Nova Scotia Canada

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All is fine and dandy until you start complain that the raptor 50 isn't a hardcore 3D heli. And it isn't!

Hi Dave,

That's only because some modelers may know not how to configure the machine for the task. Hey that's what this forum is all about! The simple fact of the matter is you need a certain amount of pitch, engine power and an acceptable servo and servo horn to drive the helicopter at the rate desired. Basically it's a mature helicopter design with modern performance easily attainable by an informed modeler. Being a mature helicopter offers certain benefits. This is my experience anyway.

I'd really like people to see the true Raptor 50 potential. Anyone who wants top control system throw for a low cost and effort can easily find the information on RR. Here are some tid-bits. I think the second video briefly says it all.



http://runryder.com/?v=/helicopter/...-Colin-Bell.wmv


http://youtube.com/watch?v=vTIlllLInRo

http://www.vimeo.com/732584

http://media.putfile.com/colin-redline-testing

Stephen

Raptors are everywhere
07-31-2008 05:38 PM
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Pull-n-Pitch
Veteran
Location: Mt. Dora, Florida (USA)

Well written S Bell!!
I have every frame size Raptor builds, It is a "Well" seasoned machine (like the 350 Chevy engines and the 302 fords)!!!!
Sure, Old but tried and true to the their name and heritage!
IF you can't get a Raptor to dance, perform or it is just that bad we have to complain hoping that Raptor will here our pleas, then you need to go chase one of the "Golden Promises" of all the new manufacturers that constantly compare how "this new helicopter" can do this or that!! (Basically why Raptors are old and they are NEW)
In society today we have become a pack of followers be it on the television, Car market or laundry detergent, we are dragged around by some over paid advertising company that "mentally convinces" us on why one product sucks and the "NEW ONE" is so much better!!
I am personally not worried about Raptor, I am sure they have something up their sleeve when ALL the other companies are done taking their shot at taking some of Raptors sales away, Raptor will introduce something else for the industry to chase.
If Raptor isn't worried, then don't sweat it!!
Besides there are only 25 or so other helicopters you can go buy and not gripe... "Because they are newer and better"
I was taught "Be Leary of the sleeping dog that's not sleeping"
He may just be laying down and waiting for the right moment...

Enough said, It is "solely my opinion" but I have seen the best pilots out there make a Raptor scream like you said S Bell....

Pull-n-Pitch
08-01-2008 05:06 AM
 
 
JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Sorry, I disagree 100%, in totally stock form, the 600N SMOKES the R50 in every possible way. Yes, they can do the same moves (most P&B Helis can), the Rex just does them with more pop, precision and authority. There is NO comparison, and yes, I have owned them both and my R50 was FULLY blinged (Kasama etc, see gallery).

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
08-01-2008 05:37 AM
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AllThumbs
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

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Be Leary of the sleeping dog that's not sleeping

Nice quote..

I agree with Jason that in standard form, yes the Rex offers more "Pop" out of the box. And is "Probably" a better option for the Hardcore 3D purchaser. However show me a newby or intimediate pilot that can out fly the Raptor 50? It's still a pretty safe bet for an easy set up & vice free flying.. I think TT will cover their bases and keep the tried & trusted, but add somthing to take on the Rex & Xtreme, Vibe etc. etc. etc...
If you read the Innovator add it mentions a Range of heli's.. not just one.. guess we will know what it's all about after this weekend..
08-01-2008 05:58 AM
 
 
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