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terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

Hi Guys

As stated I need some help choosing my next heli, I have been flying an esky r22 for about 4 months now and I'm getting bored of it, it doesnt pose a challenge anymore and I cant fly it outside, so I'm looking for a new one. I'm trying to decide between the Belt Cp, Trex 450 and the Comet 500. I would preferably like an RTF possibly with a spread spectrum TX, any suggestions or advice? Budget roughly 350 USD, and dont mind buying off the net.

Thanks in advance!
07-21-2008 01:48 PM
 
 
kc8qpu
Senior Heliman
Location: Hudsonville,MI, USA

hold out till your budget is bigger then buy a trex 450. You will want some reserve for repair parts.

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07-21-2008 02:11 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

So I've been looking round on ebay, what do you guys think of the trex 450sa?, any other suggestions will be appreciated, Cheers.
07-21-2008 02:52 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

I agree with kc8....get the 450. It's a ARF kit that you'll have to build which you will gain invaluable experience so when you crash, you won't be intimidated by the rebuild.

BUT, if you MUST get a RTF, the Blade 400 isn't bad and is cheaper.

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
07-21-2008 02:53 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Closest I can think of is the Blade 400, complete package just a little over you budget. Of course, that is in the US. You may be able to find better deals on brands I am less familiar with in Australia. I don't think your budget of $350 is realistic for an Align set up including radio.
The point of budgeting for spares was also an excellent suggestion.

I've seen some packages out of China that include 2.4 radios, but from what I've read/seen, not sure I'd suggest that route at this point. Stating that you're bored with a coax and ready to step up, I think you would want to invest in something that will get you flying collective, and take you past hover/forward flight.
My point is, figure out how you're going to get spares, look for availability, then add it all up. I recently put together a CopterX 'on the cheap', and after flying yesterday I think I need to get a better gyro. Thing went, er, not so well.

CopterX (Trex 450 clone) $200
HS 56 servos $100
better gyro $100 (you read everywhere, don't skimp)
Motor/ESC $75
DX6i radio $175

I think US$ is pretty close to AU$ right now, so I'm guessing I'm close with estimations. Double that for a good Align set up.

-da (Max)
AMA 198798
issues? I have subscriptions...
07-21-2008 03:01 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

Im starting to like the idea of the copterx and building it myself, recommend any online stores to get it from?

this is the parts im thinking

copterx
align 430l & 35amp ESC
3x hitec hs-65HB for cyclic
1x futaba S9257 for tail
DX6i/ar6200
401 gyro

what do you guys think, going over board anywhere? the heli will be used as a step up tp begin with then getting into some 3D flying.

comments appreciated, thanks

EDIT: spelling :
07-21-2008 03:33 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

looks like a great list to me, I'd like to upgrade to HS65's and a 401. You may want to consider the align xl motor, I guess figure if you want to have some power reserve, or battery reserve.

Oh, and I failed to mention a battery(s) duh. You'll want at least two, many people suggest more to keep them rotating. I'm a fan of cheap zippy batteries, they've been working well in my 450 helis / 400 park fliers.

-da (Max)
AMA 198798
issues? I have subscriptions...
07-21-2008 03:53 PM
 
 
kc8qpu
Senior Heliman
Location: Hudsonville,MI, USA

you could also look at xheli.com. They have a reasonably cheap trex 450 knock off. A buddy of mine has this heli and it is a great little heli.

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07-21-2008 03:57 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

Do you mean the 430xl? if so sounds good, I'd rather have power for when and if I need it and have a pile of batteries, speaking of which what size should I use 2200ma 20C/25C?

thanks for all you help max, your a legend

@Kc on the xheli site do you mean the EXI 450? it looks exactly like a trex too me, any difference or just a diff brand?
07-21-2008 04:01 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

Hey I found on ebay an RTF HDX 450 SE V3 for $440 delivered with the following set up

(1) HDX 2.4Ghz 6 Channel Transmitter
(1) HDX 2.4Ghz 6 Channel Receiver
(1) Pre-Painted Fiberglass Canopy
(4) Tower Pro SG 90 Servos
(1) HDX 3400Kv Brushless Motor
(1) Sonix 35A Brushless ESC
(1) ELE 3A 5V UBEC
(1) Telebee TLB01 Head Lock Gyro
(1) 2100mah 11.1V 3S 15C LiPo

is it worth it and what would be the difference between this and the previous set up I listed? peformance wise and so on, Thanks.
07-21-2008 04:44 PM
 
 
kc8qpu
Senior Heliman
Location: Hudsonville,MI, USA

Just be careful when you buy used. Never trust the setup.

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07-21-2008 04:52 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

"Just be careful when you buy used. Never trust the setup."

Thats a good point, its brand new though, I might just get a Belt CP or Falcon 400 as both are available and have spares availble at my LHS.
07-21-2008 04:59 PM
 
 
SkyWarp
Senior Heliman
Location: Planet Earth

Stop beating around the bush and get the Century Swift! The price is somewhat in the ballpark your asking and it provides you more room to grow. Sure Align makes great products but there are more helis out there to consider.


Century Swift-
Anticipating a crash is worse than the crash itself.
07-21-2008 09:19 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

Ok, forgetting the budget what would anyone recommend thats not any of the previous stated?

boo.
07-22-2008 01:50 PM
 
 
kc8qpu
Senior Heliman
Location: Hudsonville,MI, USA

What are the local guys flying? What does your local hobby shop carry? Not sure if you have already asked these questions to yourself. But most likely you will be running into problems and if you fly the same as most local guys then you won't have as many growing pains. Once you gain more experience then go off and buy something different. All the helis listed above are good heli's. Another question is have you thought about maybe a nitro bird? Like a 30 size machine?

Bring back the rotary phone so we don't have to press "1" to proceed to ENGLIGH.
07-22-2008 01:55 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

All the local guys seem to be flying blade 400's, trex 450s, belt cp's and falcon 400's. I considered the nitro route, but owning a revo and hating the mess makes me want to stay electic.

Walking away from a landing is a good one, being able to use the aircraft again is fantastic!
07-22-2008 01:58 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

The thing is when you go bigger, like a swift, the 500 class, etc, you're in to bigger batteries, more investment there. Then you have the inertia and mass going into a crash. I love the bigger electrics, and I've wanted a swift for some time as, however I'm a huge fan of the 450 class at 325mm blades and inexpensive (relatively) 11.1 2200 mAh battery due to it's minimal crash cost for the performance.

I've crashed my 600 electric once, lost a 5Ah 4S battery (I fly two 4S for 8S) and close to $100 in parts. My second battery must have been damanged, after a few flights with it, it blew a cell while I was in the air. I was able to land and pull the battery without damage, but there went a full set of batteries on top of the parts cost.

as for your new ebay deal;
Maybe that wouldn't be a bad place to start, less investment. As you are getting your collective pitch heli skills down, you won't be taxing the battery/esc/motor, so at 15C it's probably fine for a while. I guess you have to weight the cash outlay against how fast you progress and how much flying you want to do. Case in point, I outgrew my 'cheap' stuff in about 6 months. I manage to fly 4-5 times a week (on a good week) and am progressing okay with sim time mixed in. Last weekend my Telebee, which I thought would be a good bargain Gyro, just decided to stop working mid flight. I only broke a link, but I'm down a gyro.
It's a hard call when you don't have money to throw around and are getting started. I would have jumped at that deal when I got back into helis, now I can out-fly that equipment and would be afraid it would fail on the first flight.

-da (Max)
AMA 198798
issues? I have subscriptions...
07-22-2008 02:32 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

Dang, someone had to bring nitro in?

I love nitro, getting the engine to run is half the fun (for me). Best starter; a 50 size. Same costs on the 30, a lot more return. Same investment as a larger electric. Which is better, nitro or electric? ROTFLMAO
Neither is better than the other, IMHO.

Minimize your investment when you start out, so you're encouraged to keep at it when things go wrong. Then plan for something bigger/better for later and with two machines, you can fly one while one is on the bench, small one to take places, so on and so forth.

You want my current 'best of' list?

Hitec gyro servo pack - 3xhs65, HSG-5083 tail, HG5000 gyro
scorpian hk22111-8 motor
CC 45A ESC
Kong power 2200 mAh
450 heli of choice. It's the equipment that's the investment more than the heli. If I wasn't cheap, I'd have a Beam E4, or the Audacity Wildcat.

-da (Max)
AMA 198798
issues? I have subscriptions...
07-22-2008 02:46 PM
 
 
terreboo
New Heliman
Location: Perth

Ok cool, thanks for your help, I've decided to get the belt cp RTF and a telebee gyro as I have read in a couple threads that the standard gyros not the best, as I proceed and inevitably crash I'll upgrade as I go,eventualy getting the full metal tail and head and mybe the carbon frame but deffinatley a dx6i. My last question is will the carbon frame and metal head/tail be stronger and tough out the crashes better then the plastic? although hopefully by then I should have it pretty well mastered.

Walking away from a landing is a good one, being able to use the aircraft again is fantastic!
07-22-2008 02:49 PM
 
 
daytona7
Senior Heliman
Location: Ocala, FL USA

Raptor

How is the Raptor for upgrading from the Blade CP+? Saw Ace Hobbies add for buy back and was wondering. Got to stay electric
07-23-2008 08:48 PM
 
 
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