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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > Making the switch to an Aurora, but still keeping the 700N...

RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

GScott

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If I'm going to pay the fuel costs to fly a 90 I want a 90 not just a scaled up 50

Pics of the 700 vs Fury and the 600

The 700 looks bigger than the 600 in these pics...And it looks to be the same as the Fury.

So I guess the Fury is "just a big 50" as well?

07-28-2008 10:34 PM

majestic12
Senior Heliman
Location: truckee, ca

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I'm building mine now and it is pretty impressive. Personally I looked at the 700n because of the parts prices. Honestly it's not much bigger than the 600n and alot smaller than the Aurora. If I'm going to pay the fuel costs to fly a 90 I want a 90 not just a scaled up 50. I would make the switch now if you are serious. The 700n is still hard to find so you'll get the best price for it now versus a few months from now.

here's a naked line up of my Fury,700 and 600. I originally posted this over in the Acoughlign forum but I wanted to to make sure GSCOTT sees this. Not trying to start nothing so please forgive me for coming over here just to set the record straight

everyone just be happy and go fly!

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Anyone wanting a bigger "presence" well...I guess what you really want is just a bigger canopy. The blade grips both main and tail are in the exact same space(_x,_y & _z) on the Fury and 700 so for all purposes they are the exact same size heli not counting the canopy. I don't hear anyone calling the Fury a "big 50" though. And also on the issue of wide vs narrow frames. The frames on the 700 are MUCH stiffer torsionally than on my Fury..to be honest I wasn't expecting the difference to be nearly as great as it happens to be!

Blackshark fuse-ys80-Fury Head-Vibe tail-Trex frames
TREX 700N Flybarless
HF:STMPNGRND

07-28-2008 11:12 PM

GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

And here is a 700 next to a Vibe 50. Looks about the same size to me.

And here is the 700 next to an Aurora.

Sorry but sitting next to the Aurora it looks like a 50. Like I said with fuel prices being what they are I want a 90 that has the presence of a 90 in the air. This same sentiment was echoed by friends who attended XFC this year and saw the 700n in person.

07-29-2008 12:30 AM

culverdan
Senior Heliman
Location: American Canyon,CA

OHH

Guess someone likes yellow. Either that or those helis are own by differnt people. And thats cool the whole align family is there from 450 to 700.

So I'm wondering if you took the pic from the 450 side would the Aurora still look bigger than the 700 I guess the 700 is what it is I would still like to see one and fly one even though I do have an Aurora. Oh yeah I have a 600 too use to have a 450 what a fun little heli that was.

Well I think I can fly it..............UH OH OOPS heres your heli.

07-29-2008 04:39 AM

jpla010
Senior Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

I've got one word for you GScott "PERSPECTIVE"
ya know that phenomenon that makes things further away appear smaller..

Jonathon

07-29-2008 05:03 AM

Dood

Elite Veteran - Location: America's Dairyland -

Here's what I did.
I made the blade diameters on both helis the same size (enlarging the Align with Adobe photoshop)
I moved the Align into the front.
I lined up the main shafts on the same parallel.
I also noted that the blade tips in the foreground were lined up on the same parallel.
Hope this helps.

Any questions?

___________
The Dood abides.

07-29-2008 05:33 AM

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culverdan
Senior Heliman
Location: American Canyon,CA

Dood

So what happend when you did that. Did the 700 seem to be of the same size I would guess from the pic that its all in the way it was shot just like the other guy said. But I havnt seen a 700 to compare them but thats ok.

Well I think I can fly it..............UH OH OOPS heres your heli.

07-29-2008 05:37 AM

Locktite
Senior Heliman
Location: N.J

Having had both heli's the Aurora is bigger than a 700N by quite a bit.

. Now I just have the Aurora,,,

07-29-2008 05:39 AM

Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Yes, the 700 is without a doubt smaller, mostly due to it's stubby canopy.

I didnt have to enlarge the 700 much. Although it was in the background, it wasn't that far away.
Only about a half a flybar length's distance away.

___________
The Dood abides.

07-29-2008 05:40 AM

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louk05
Key Veteran
Location: Flying in BelAir Maryland

Gscott knows its just as big as a avant. he has bin shown in pics and told in the avant form. a guy has a post over there and gscott saw it. the guy even said so.just the canopy is bigger. he is just mad. it looks like a 90 and flies like one as well

Fly Hard,Crash Hard,Upgrade, Align,AMA#906056

07-29-2008 07:09 AM

GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

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Having had both heli's the Aurora is bigger than a 700N by quite a bit.. Now I just have the Aurora,,,

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Yep. In the air I should imagine that it looks like a 50 with a long boom

Hmmm. I guess louk05 needs to go back to school and retake reading comprehension 101.

07-29-2008 02:12 PM

RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

GScott

Maybe you should read Dood's posts twice yourself. He said it was at max 1/2-3/8 smaller mechanics wise. And the Canopy was a little shorter. He said it may look like a 50 with a longer boom, but the measurements do not agree with that statement.

It also has the same height.

It is perfectly fine to just not like the machine, how it looks, ect. But you do not do yourself any favors when you make up reasons to dislike it.

07-29-2008 04:44 PM

heli3dmax
Senior Heliman
Location: DuBois, PA USA

Who gives a fushizzle!

Buy and fly what you want and be happy!

07-29-2008 04:57 PM

GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

I'm not making up anything. I said I picked the Aurora over the 700n because I wanted it to have the presence of a 90 in the air. IMHO the 700 does not. This has been backed by friends who saw it at XFC, by Dood's comment that in the air it would look like a 50 with a longer boom, and by Locktite and others who have owned and built both. Whether it's the smaller canopy of not who cares. In the air the Aurora has a bigger presence and know one will ever mistake it for a stretched 50.

Perhaps you should talk to your buddy louk05 about making things up. With statements like all Auroras are junk, 90% of them are grounded waiting for parts, you can't get parts, and my personal favorite was his statement about only seeing one at HOD and it didn't even fly. That was proven wrong by the owner of that Aurora who said he flew it 4 times that day. I also liked the part about the exploding 700n that louk05 somehow forgot to mention. Perhaps both of you should go back to the Align forum so you can figure out why links are breaking in flight and heads are exploding. But then again that would mean actually posting helpful information instead of just trolling.

07-29-2008 05:10 PM

RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

GScott

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This has been backed by friends who saw it at XFC,

How many Auroras were at the XFC?

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Perhaps you should talk to your buddy louk05 about making things up

How about I think BOTH of you are just making things up?

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Perhaps both of you should go back to the Align forum so you can figure out why links are breaking in flight and heads are exploding. But then again that would mean actually posting helpful information instead of just trolling.

Maybe you should stay away from the Align forum till you figure out why:

Main shaft set screw
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t433718p1/

Bad holes on boom
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t446883p1/

Start shaft oneway
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t447647p1/

Parts missing from kits
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/...1/?p=3621903#RR
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t446383p1/
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t437669p1/

Some CNC issues. Missing parts...ect
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t446206p1/
http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t448845p1/

I am only even in this forum since YOU were trolling in the Align forum making up BS problems.

You started all this by trolling in the Align forum. Don't blame me for calling your bluff.

07-29-2008 05:29 PM

GScott
Key Veteran
Location: Lewis Center, OH

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How many Auroras were at the XFC?

At least 2 but I don't have a list of what everyone flew.

Too bad every one of those problems has been addressed and people where given replacement parts. Augusto has even stepped up and replaced parts from a crash before the cause was even determined. Go luck getting that kind of service from Align/Assurance. What did Assurance do for those affected by the exploding blades last year? How about those now whose 700's have crashed due to faulty links. What do think Assurance will do for them. The same thing they have always done...sell you an upgrade and you'll eat it up like candy.

And exactly what did I make up? The head is nothing different than any other Align heli. Just bigger. The tail is the same from the 600. I only posted in the Align forum when certain people started dumping on the Aurora and making other bogus claims. It's hard to have a fair crash cost comparison when you include the aluminum boom in the crash cost instead of a carbon one isn't it?

07-29-2008 05:56 PM

RonHill
Veteran
Location: ..

GScott

You don't get it do you? You were trolling over in another forum so don't bitch when people troll in "your" forum.

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Too bad every one of those problems has been addressed and people where given replacement parts

Too bad there were so many issue in the first place that required attention.

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And exactly what did I make up? The head is nothing different than any other Align heli. Just bigger.

You clearly have not really looked at the head.

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I only posted in the Align forum when certain people started dumping on the Aurora and making other bogus claims.

You have 11 PAGES of posts in the Align forum. Many from WAY before the Aurora was ever released. So thats just not true.

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It's hard to have a fair crash cost comparison when you include the aluminum boom in the crash cost instead of a carbon one isn't it?

Not really, when you compare stock to stock it is possible. But you have a point in the larger sense. But really, what performance gain are you going to feel in a carbon tail boom vs a aluminum one?

As for bogus claims:

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How about those now whose 700's have crashed due to faulty links.

One guy said he had a problem....In that thread 8 others have said no issues. Of the three in my area, no one has had an issue.

You have a problem with Align...Maybe you feel they wronged you in some way, but you clearly go to the Align forum and troll....Don't blame others for pointing that out.

07-29-2008 06:34 PM

bob00
Veteran
Location: Toronto, ON

Enough

Ok guys, like it or not people are going to want to fly and like different things - no need to slam or belittle each other's products - the fact is both will probably bring a great deal of enjoyment to their respective purchasers.

Buy what YOU like, fly what YOU like - to each his own.
Let's keep things in this forum relevant and civil.

- Rob
teambob00 / FlightPower / Avant / Spartan

07-29-2008 10:10 PM

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Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

It's bigger....it's smaller....no it isn't....yes it is....I'm telling mummy. FFS.

07-29-2008 11:21 PM

Dylan Richards
Heliman
Location: Texas

i think synergy is better than both of them.

Ace Helis Team Pilot, Team Outrage, Cutris Youngblood

07-30-2008 03:57 AM

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