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Main Discussion > Why Run a regulator ??????
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

You dont need a regulator. I find this saving a ounce or two crap when it comes to most helis. I fly sport and scale dont see a need for ME to run a regulator the high capacity nicads and nimh works fine for my needs and for the average sport flyer. To me a regulator is just another weak link in the electrical system on a heli. The average person really dont need it.
07-20-2008 03:16 PM
 
 
Cowjock
Senior Heliman
Location: Collegeville, Pa.

I've been seeing videos of helis being burn't up because of voltage regulators over heating not to mention the lipos burning them too. I fully understand why they are used but to me it's not worth it. Stick in a good Nicad or Nimh and go fly. Been doing that for years and will continue to do it. As Mutt put it"it's just another weak link". I use the K-I-S-S principle.

Damn that ground is hard!
07-20-2008 03:35 PM
 
 
AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Under the tire of a truck

Mutt, Cowjock, I do not 3d fly at all. I do ovals, loops, occasional flips, and rolls. I am learning to smooth out my flight. Last year sometime, my 4.8 volt nicad receiver battery crapped out. I replaced it with a 4.8 volt nimh battery. For a few weekends, I got several flights out of one charge. Then, while coming out of a sideways loops, I lost rpms. My receiver had gone into battery failsafe and dropped my throttle. I barely made it out of the loop at 3 feet above the ground and I came down for a hard landing. I broke the landing gear and bent the spindle. At another point I went down hard from going into battery failsafe with the same battery. The costs for repair were around 200. So, I did some careful checking and flying of the nimh pack. It got to the point where it wouldn't last one flight before it went into battery fail safe. I switched to another nimh battery pack that I bought at the same time and had never been used. It didn't last one flight either. I did this experiment with quick charging the batteries at 1c and trickle charging them overnight with a nimh trickle charger. For me the 4.8 volt nimh and nicad battery set ups caused unnecessary damage by dropping their voltage below my failsafe mark on my receiver. I switched to an arizona regulator and a 5200mah lithium ion pack and never had the battery failsafe kick in at all. I can use those nimh packs on my helis with analog servos and have achieved five flights out of them with no issues at all. For me, the regulator took one problem out of the equation altogether on my evo with the digital servos. I've been running almost a year on the regulator and it hasn't gone bad yet, even when I dumb thumb or have another mechanical error and go down.

Man, I miss the eighties.
07-20-2008 03:47 PM
 
 
bigdog714
Senior Heliman
Location: Chardon, Ohio U.S.A.

Don't forget about the new Spektrum AR7100 RX, plugs directly into a 2S lipo, with unregulated outputs for the 8v servos, and regulated for Gov. and Gyro, and AR7100R has a built in rev-limiter. The technology is advancing in leaps and bounds.

Hi Mike!!

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07-20-2008 04:02 PM
 
 
Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

altec sounds like your buying cheap atteries I have never had a nicad fail me ever in over 40 years of flying nimh i had one fail me. I still say the regulator setup is a un needed system for the average flyer. Seen more of them systems fail in 3 years then I have seen nicads fail in 40 so that point alone settles my choices for me.
07-20-2008 06:00 PM
 
 
Andy from Sandy
Veteran
Location: UK

If you use the same kind of cells as the racing car guys use then they are capable of providing 30 amps to the load. Which is way in excess of lithium ion cells that can only provide 4 amps. When the internal resistance is quoted it should be noted that lithium ion cells have the highest internal resistance of all.

The major draw back with ni-cd and ni-mh is the voltage fluctuation. Using a regulator should ensure a constant voltage. There are crappy regulators with poor voltage regulation dropping .3 to .4 when under load which is no better than a freshly charged ni-cd.
07-20-2008 06:19 PM
 
 
Itsindilas
Veteran
Location: Greece-Athens

4 years ago I converted to a regulator setup and I will never go back to a conventional battery setup, anymore.

Nowadays, that the lipo and lion batteries have been significantly improved there is no reason to invest to the old weak and heavy Nicad or Nimh battery packs.
07-20-2008 06:25 PM
 
 
MikeC
Key Veteran
Location: Wausau, WI

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Hi Mike, what kind of head speed do you run?

I run about 1900 RPM on my Swift.

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The 4.8 volt packs never worked for me on my evo 50.

I flew an Evo 50 for about 3 years with either a 2400maH NiCd pack or 3300 NiMH pack with the exact same digital servos (Hitec 5625MG) I now have on my Swift. I often flew for close to an hour without any problems.

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I still say the regulator setup is a un needed system for the average flyer.

I agree. Unless you need the ultimate in precision, a totally non fluctuating power source is not necessary.

Century Swift, Hirobo Sky Robo, Spektrum DX7
07-20-2008 06:55 PM
 
 
AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Under the tire of a truck

the nicads I used were futaba and jr packs. The nimh packs were some packs I bought from ebay and they were supposed to be made of sanyo cells. The voltage drop when using these packs caused me to go into failsafe. My servos are high torque servos. I imagine they create a big voltage drop when under a load. I just won't risk crashing my evo again because of going into a battery failsafe from using nicads or nimhs. I will use nicads and nimhs on my 30 size helis with the analog servos. I have not had a problem on those.

Man, I miss the eighties.
07-20-2008 08:45 PM
 
 
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