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Avant Aurora - EFX - FX > Tail servo horn
 
 
alchemist
Senior Heliman
Location: London,UK

1. Can some please confirm that 19mm is the desired positioning for the ball on the tail servo horn.

2. For those that are using JR servos for the tail, what horns are you using to get 19mm?

3. What are the other tail configurations (different ball link positions) that are known to work well?

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07-17-2008 10:13 AM
 
 
ZR2Chevy22
Senior Heliman
Location: Galveston, TX USA

I'm running the large round JR servo horn with the ball at the futherest hole. Seems to be what most who run the 8900 are running.

Andrew

07-17-2008 02:33 PM
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pinewaves
Heliman
Location: Lawrence, NY - USA

What gyro are you using?

The amount of appropriate "mechanical gain" has more to do with the gyro your running, and not so much the servo.
07-17-2008 03:31 PM
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alchemist
Senior Heliman
Location: London,UK

I'm using a DS8900 in conjunction with a DS760 Spartan, I've currenttly done as ZR2Chevy22 has suggested and place the ball on the furtherest hole on the stock large servo wheel.

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07-17-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
pinewaves
Heliman
Location: Lawrence, NY - USA

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It is not uncommon to find that the optimal gain value for a helicopter may be a small number such as 35-45%. The small value does not mean that the gyro will be limited in performance. Any gain value performs well as long as it is the optimal gain value.However, a gain below 35% indicates that the mechanical gain of the tail is too high and it is therefore recommended moving the servo arm ball link further in. Similarly if 100% is reached and no tail wagging is seen the ball link needs to be moved further out and repeat the gain adjustment procedure.

From: Spartan user manual pg.10

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Recommended
ball link fixing
13-17mm from
servo shaft.

From: Spartan user manual pg.5

On my Aurora i'm using the JR wheel on the 8900G. I actually had to drill a new hole about 2mm closer than the closer predrilled hole. My tail holds like a rock and gain is set to 41% AVCS.

Good luck.
07-17-2008 07:47 PM
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creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

At first I though 19mm seemed too far out so I tried 14mm out with a Solid-G and BLS251. Even with the gain turned way up I was able to blow the tail out during fast backward flight with quick direction changes. I moved the ball out to 19.5mm and haven't had any problems since.
07-17-2008 08:28 PM
 
 
pinewaves
Heliman
Location: Lawrence, NY - USA

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I'm using a DS8900 in conjunction with a DS760 Spartan..

creightoncarr, alchemist is using a Spartan not a Solid-G. I use a Spartan DS760 on my Aurora as well.
07-17-2008 09:45 PM
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creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

There may be others using that Solid-G who have the same question.
07-17-2008 09:46 PM
 
 
pinewaves
Heliman
Location: Lawrence, NY - USA

Good point.
07-17-2008 09:48 PM
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creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

Sorry, I didn't mean that to come across as me trying to be a smart ass. Hope it didn't.
07-17-2008 09:54 PM
 
 
alchemist
Senior Heliman
Location: London,UK

From what I can see if you set the tail mechanically so the rear tail bellcrank is at 90 to the boom exactly, then you basically need somewhere in the region of 17-19mm on the servo horn so that you have enough throw from the mechanical mid-point to both endpoints eg: a short horn results in limited mechanical throw.

The stock large JR round horn is 16mm approx on the outter most hole so at a fixed midpoint of exactly 90 to the boom you can't make it to the mechanical extremes (pretty close though with modified gyro endpoints).

Should/can I ignore a mechanical center of 90 and just set the tail slider to its midpoint?

I'm sure it will be fine but I like things perfect if possible. I would like a servo horn for JR like the huge round stock futaba one.

Bob Finless on helifreak mention the tail geometry for the horm was 19mm, but he was using futaba so he had the large horn.

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07-17-2008 09:57 PM
 
 
alchemist
Senior Heliman
Location: London,UK

Ok I need to correct my last statement slightly

1. A larger servo horn will improve your gyro limits only but not fix mechanical limits.

2. A larger servo horn will not fix mechanical limits as the front tail bellcrank binds before the servo can travel any more.

3. In order to get full mechanical limits the rear tail bellcrank needs to be slightly off 90 to the boom (more towards the rear) which of course means a longer pushrod. I think this could be handled with careful placement of inserts (slightly more sticking out) when epoxying, although mine is very close.

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07-17-2008 10:33 PM
 
 
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