rrTV-PHOTO   New HD TV
HOME   rrTV-PHOTO   GALLERIES   MY GALLERY   HELP-FAQ
myHOME PM pmRR MEMBERS 769 ONLINE 24 EVENTS SEARCH REGISTER  START HERE
 
3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ]1021 viewsPOST REPLY
MTA Hobbies . Model Rectifier Corp . PowerHelis

.
.
Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > I'm a Pantera owner!
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

I just won a Pantera on an e-Bay auction. New, never completed, but mostly built. No blades, engine, electronics.

Thumbnails (full pics are in my gallery):









Now my question is: What size blades do I need? Everything else I know what I need, but as far as blade size, I'm lost (been flying mini's and micro's too long).

I'm stoked!!!

Jon

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-14-2008 11:58 AM
 
 
DSW
Senior Heliman
Location: Oviedo, Florida

600's
07-14-2008 12:09 PM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

620's if you go with a 61 or 70.

Welcome to the ELITE.
07-14-2008 01:09 PM
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

I'm not wanting to invest (initially) in carbons (though I may buy a set soon to have when I want'em). Are the Mavrikk 600 woodies a good set of blades? Price is right (for now) at HeliProz ($18), or even $30 for a set of Thunder Tiger 600's. The Mavrikk Patriots would look good on the Pantera too, and only what $50-something?

Keep in mind, I'm a "Professional Beginner" and don't need stick bang'in carbons. Just something to get me airborne and flying.

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-14-2008 03:19 PM
 
 
Machinehead01
Senior Heliman
Location: USA

SWE blades

Congrats!!! and welcome to the fold. John sells SWE composite blades as well as the carbon fiber. I fly the composite blades and really like the way they fly.


Thomas

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you!
07-14-2008 04:35 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

No woodies, PLEASE! At a minimum get the Heliproz Patriots or the G4 sport blades which are the same thing only in solid white. Unless you are prone to constantly crashing you will come to appreciate them quickly. I would suggest the 620mm blades for sport flying but you could use the 600mm as well. You have an 8.7:1 gear ratio instead of a typical 8.5:1 so you can swing the 620's even with a non-hyper 50.

Mavrikk 620 G4 Carbon Mains
802143: In Stock $57.99

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
07-14-2008 07:27 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

wood blades? I know something about wood blades!

I did discuss my 'wood blades on a Pantera' experiance in depth toward the end of this thread:
http://runryder.com/helicopter/t406884p1/

In short, the BEST wood blades I've ever put on any of my heli's were from Audacity, AUD1519. (not including smaller than 550mm)

I'm running Mavrikk sports 620 carbons right now, same as the patriots. They are ok, but I was surprised how far out of balance they were. I understand the fear of blowing a good set of carbons with a blade strike, but I'm also appreciating the better performance of carbon. I intend to pick up SWE's from Audacity in the very near future and keep the Mavrikk as backup or training blades.

-da (Max)
AMA 198798
issues? I have subscriptions...
07-14-2008 08:01 PM
 
 
jaycab
Senior Heliman
Location: The Magic City

CPT Jon, Welcome to the Pantera Family
Stay out of woodies

Jaycab
07-14-2008 08:46 PM
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

Thanks for the advice guys. I'm still a while away from needing the blades (I just bought the machine this morning, so it is on it's way to me). I may just go ahead and get the carbons. Maybe a set of Patriots and a set of CY Blemishes (you can't see a smudge when they are spinning, right?)...hell, maybe just a coouple sets of CY's.

My next topic is servos. I know I stated above that I know what to get, but then I got to looking and realized I'm not outfitting an IMAC bird (my main passion), or a foamy, or a micro heli. Therefore, I'm really at a loss for servos for a 50 size machine. I'm thinking quick, but not necessaraly blazing fast servos will fill the bill...say .10's or .13's and 70 in/oz torque (at 6 volts). Am I on the right track? Would HiTec Karbonite gears be okay, or should I stick wtih MG's (I'm thinking nylon gears are okay for 30 size machines, but not so sure on a 50). Thoughts?

Jon

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-14-2008 08:50 PM
 
 
MaxAdventure
Senior Heliman
Location: Boulder, Colorado

do gears fail any other time than a crash?
I've been happy with HS-5625 for Cyclic

-da (Max)
AMA 198798
issues? I have subscriptions...
07-14-2008 08:54 PM
 
 
jbeech
Ex rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Jon,

With a CCPM heli like my Pantera design, the faster the servo and the better the resolution (centering primarily), the better. 70-ounce-inches is fine for virtually anything but a decent pilot can tell the difference between them a 120 oz-in servos if he's flipping and tumbling with stops and accelerations in between, i.e. 3D maneuvers. I don't sell servos, so I don't have a dog in the hunt, but I think you're on the right track.

Finally, with respect to blades, we offer a set of woodies as well as both SWE and SAB blades, i.e. man-made construction. As far as our woodies go, as someone else mentioned, they're quite decent. In fact, I use them myself when I'm test flying a new machine or one I've just repaired. But once that's done, I switch to a man-made blade, typically SWE both because I distribute them "and" because I like how they fly (else I wouldn't have picked up the line). Furthermore, I "never" offer seconds/blems because in my opinion, if they made a mistake on the finish layer, i.e. the one you see, which arguably is the most important aspect to most guys, then what else might wrong inside? Hence, "No thanks." is my response to the offer of blems/seconds. I figure there's enough trouble in the world and I don't want to bborrow any, and hence, I only want first run blades for my customers!

Anyway, woodies are OK as far as that goes but God made the wood and consequently, there are slightly variations between blades regardless of the effort we put in to match and balance (and we work hard on this so I'm very proud of our Audacity woodies). That said, while they're fine for beginners learning to hover, and for test flights, in my opinion, once you're going into forward flight and aerobatics, a man-made blade is better.

With regards to my line of SWE blades, the same mold is used for the composites as well as for the pricer carbons and frankly, when I'm just flying for myself, i.e not at a fun fly, I prefer the composites because they're less expensive if I have an "Oh heck" moment. Furthermore, I'm just a sport pilot and really can't really tell the difference other than the carbons look better when they're not spinning. By the way, the eaosn for the two colors (top vs. bottom) is for increased situational awareness during maneuvers, which is a feature we innovated and brought to market first, which others are copying in their own way because it works.

Anyway, here's a link to blades on my website:

AUD1519 600mm Wooden Blades $24.99 - by the way, there's a 2X special offer in place presently resuting in them costing just $18.99 each set.


SWR600DW 600mm Composite $62.99 - by the way, there's a 2X special offer in place presently resuting in them costing just $59.99 each set.

SWR600DCW 600mm Carbon $79.99

SWR620DC 620mm Carbon $81.99 - by the way, there's a 2X special offer in place presently resuting in them costing just $79.99 each set.

I hope this helps, and if you have any further questions, just pick up telephone and call me at 407-302-3361. After all, we're in business to serve you . . . even if you purchased your Pantera off eBay!

Regards,


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
07-14-2008 10:20 PM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Nice words JB. Lets get back to the question.
First. Welcome to the Pantera family.
Second. Is this your first ship?
Woodies would be just fine if your learing to hover, and getting into FF. If your skills are better then that. Carbon mains are the way to go.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
07-15-2008 03:36 AM
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

No, it's not my first. I've had (and sold)...let's see...first was a Nexus 30 (in 1996-98), then a LONG lay off from heli's, then I got back with a Blade CP (took it to Iraq and played with it there quite a lot), (traded it for a plank), got home, flew no rotary for a couple of years, got the itch again and bought a Mini Titan (my first foray into HH gyros (all others have been piezo rate jobs). Sold that when I got the itch for another IMAC plane. Got a Blade CP for something to fly (rotary) and got the itch for a nitro bird. I've always wanted an Audacity machine. This is my first nitro machine in about 10 years. Lot's have changed.

Jon

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-15-2008 11:47 AM
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

I saw that auction and man did you do well. I was going to buy it just for the parts. I'm glad it went to a new Pantera owner.

Forget the woodies. You need to run real low headspeeds to be safe. If they fail, they cost much more in damage than you saved initially. Get a set of SWE's from John. You will be glad you did. The composites are fine.

Have you seen the Big Block kit?
07-15-2008 01:01 PM
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

Yeah, I've seen the Big Block kit. Great option and I may go that way if I cnat find a .50 that I like. I kinda want to go Hyper (seems like that is all there is for sale at the moment in the .50 size), but I know as soon as I shell out for one a good price will come along for a .70 w/pipe and I'll kick myself.

JB: Thanks for the kind words of advice. I'll take you up on calling you once I get my Pantera in my hands and go through everything. I don't know if you remember me, but I "offered" to do "environmental" testing on a Tiger 50 for you in Iraq a coouple years ago. You gently declined the offer. Anyway, I'm in the Audacity team now.

Another note: The guy I bought it from is offering me a set of blades and a "piezo 400" gyro for an additional $150...I'm just waiting for him to send me pics of the blades and gyro before I accept that offer or not. He said the blades are FG, but without looking at them, I have no idea what brand they are, and his mention of a piezo 400 gyro (no brand mentioned, but I think it may be the JR G400, piezo.) If it is, it is not too good a deal. G400's have sold for as low as $50, so that would be a $100 set of blades! I think I'll hold out and pick up a better gyro.

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-15-2008 01:26 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

You wont go wrong with a .50 powered Pantera, hyper or non. But, since these days most of what is offered is the hyper, grab a good used one and you'll have plenty of power and as light a Pantera as you can assemble.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
07-15-2008 01:29 PM
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

The Gyro the guy offered me is, infact, a JR G400. I told him I was not interested in it as it is a discontinued rate gyro, not a HH unit and it is worth <$50 on todays market (for heli's anyway...a fixed winger might use it to tame a taildragger that is kinda squirley on the ground)

The blades are not marked, but as you can see, the have a silver bushing. Sometimes you can ID 'em by the tips, but these are kinda Plain-Jane. Anyone have an idea on what they are? I offered him $50 for the blades.





Jon

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-16-2008 03:57 PM
 
 
tracvision
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Florida

I've seen those plain jane blades on Ebay in the 25.00 range. don't bother with those if you don't know what brand they are. Some of the cheaper Carbon blades don't even balance properly. John sells the SWE fiberglass blades and will stand behind them. No matter how well the heli is built, the blades are the final determination of how well it flies. I wouldn't put a set of Wal Mart radials on a Masserati.
07-16-2008 04:20 PM
 
 
xtremeaerosport
Heliman
Location: Lewes, DE

I agree 100%. I offered just 'cause he took the time to take pics for me.

Jon

CPT Jonathan Ott
US Army
07-16-2008 04:23 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

That looks like those cheapy eBay blades that guys have had fail at the the root. No way would I take a chance on them.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
07-16-2008 05:10 PM
 
 
3 pages [ <<    <    ( 1 )     2      3     NEXT    >> ]1021 viewsPOST REPLY
Heli Wholesaler . 3D Heli Depot . JR-Spektrum

.
.
Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > I'm a Pantera owner!
 PRINT TOPIC Advertisers 

Subscribe to This Topic

Wednesday, January 7 - 11:06 pm - Copyright © 2000 - 2009 runryder.com | email | link to rr | runryder needs cookie