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Main Discussion > changing from mode1 to mode 2

TOSH
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Location: UK.

How many full size use a TX?

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10-29-2008 06:17 PM

AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

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How many full size use a TX?

I think that's irrelevant.

The point . . . which you missed . . . is full size have aileron and elevator controled by the same hand, the right hand.

10-29-2008 06:26 PM

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TOSH
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Location: UK.

l didn`t miss it. l just think full size is irrelevant.

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10-29-2008 06:39 PM

AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

Then it's easy to conclude that you don't have a pilot's license.
Those that do think it's relevant.

10-29-2008 09:17 PM

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TOSH
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Location: UK.

Very small minority then.

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10-29-2008 10:16 PM

lpearce
Senior Heliman
Location: Pukekohe, Auckland NZ

Airwolf. I quess you drive an RC car with Pedals and a steering wheel as well then?? Or yoke and pedals for a plank.?

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10-30-2008 05:22 AM

Helinutnz
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Location: below 42 South

I'm a plank pilot on both real and model aircraft and a model heli pilot. I changed modes from mode 1 to 2 about three years ago after being in RC for 25 years. I have been flying fullsize for 28 years from c 152's to b747's.

I prefer flying planks on mode 1 as some aero's are easier and I find I dont get the small interactions that models show up easily between aileron and elevator. In fact i found flying heli's on mode 1 fine although i changed when I realised heli's were easier to fly prio manouevres on mode 2. So thats why I changed. Yes I wrestled with the fact that I wasn't flying the models the same way real ones were flown with elevator and aileron on the same stick but they are very different beasts in that one you sit in and the other you fly from a distance. So it's only really pilots that argue they would like to fly it like a real aircraft however I still would rather fly planks on mode 1. It's just that I can't do both and piro manouevres are a lot better on mode two for heli's in my opinion.

So my advice is to do what feels good for you and don't worry about what other people think. Models can be flown equally well mode 1 or 2 but for someone starting in heli's and wanting to go piro at some stage....I would recommend mode 2. For planks...if you are mode 1 and don't care about piro moves on heli's then don't change.

Even F3C on heli's is done extremely well on mode 1. The japanese have been this way a long time.

10-30-2008 06:53 AM

lpearce
Senior Heliman
Location: Pukekohe, Auckland NZ

Totally agree nut. like ive stated before,I fly both on mode 1 and probably wouldn't change anyway. As far as im concerned if I could fly like i do on phoenix for real then id be stoked (ive got piro moves, snakes/funnels you name it sorted on there) Just dont have the big brass ones to try the half of it for real, Im getting there tho. But yes, if im helping a newbie into the hobby I will steer them in the mode 2 direction for sure.

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10-30-2008 07:22 AM

AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

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Airwolf. I quess you drive an RC car with Pedals and a steering wheel as well then?? Or yoke and pedals for a plank.?

It's both amazing and disapointing to again see how hard those that haven't been there argue so hard about somenting.

10-30-2008 03:31 PM

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TOSH
Elite Veteran
Location: UK.

funny enough l agree that mode 2 is the way to go but some of the statements in this thread are just a joke.

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lol imagine a funnel with mode 1?

Yes l can imagine a funnel with mode 1.
l can do tail down skids in funnels all day. Nose down skids out are very easy. l can roll the heli with my left hand off the stick. Doesn`t make mode 1 any better and the piro stuff is hard work on mode 1 but no one ever told me l`d need a full size license to fly a model.

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10-30-2008 07:46 PM

AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

Do I really have to say this ?

. . . . My comment was indicating that since you don't have a pilot's license, you don't appreciate the worth of mode 2.

. . . . not that you HAVE to have one.

10-30-2008 11:18 PM

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TOSH
Elite Veteran
Location: UK.

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funny enough l agree that mode 2 is the way to go

No, all l said was that l just think full size is irrelevant.
For years Curtis was the best, some say he still is. He does not fly mode 2 but he seemed to get by.

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10-30-2008 11:41 PM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

full size flight controls does have a relevance but only to full size pilots that cannot get over the fact that they are not controlling the model as a full size would be controlled. Most that start in the hobby that have no full size experience wouldn't know any better and seem to cope fine and in fact mode 1 has been prevalent in both FAI and F3C for years and only America appeared to be different from the (Most of) the rest of the world.

Now that flying has developed as well as models to the point of almost spastic flying being the norm with many many piro manouevres included a lot of mode 1 flyers have come to realise the benefits of mode two for this sort of flying. I did and I changed. Some have the ability to learn anything on mode 1 yet after trying on the sim for quite a while I found piro manouevres very difficult so I changed which took a few months. I wouldn't say I am anywhere near good on prioflips but I can do them now. For me it was a good change yet I would still prefer splitting the aileron and elevator for planks!

If I were a planker I would categorically not have changed.
F3C on heli's does not need a change....remember some of the best in the world fly mode 1 F3C. 3D doesn't need a change but for me I would say it definately helped and makes more sense to me with the whole disc concept and rather than thinking of roll cyclic and pitch cyclic I like to think of the DISC as a single control and where I push the stick is where the disc tilts.

10-31-2008 12:04 AM

TOSH
Elite Veteran
Location: UK.

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Slightly off topic. What transmitters can be buddy boxed to allow mode2 to mode1 and vice versa?. I fly mode2 and I want to help others commited to mode1.

You dont need to change anything, the tx takes care of it for you. So a mode 1 DX7 can buddy box with a mode 2 DX7 and so on.

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10-31-2008 12:31 AM

lpearce
Senior Heliman
Location: Pukekohe, Auckland NZ

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It's both amazing and disapointing to again see how hard those that haven't been there argue so hard about somenting.

Only person arguing here is ummmmm YOU...
Both Tosh and I have said that we agree mode 2 is a better option for RC HElIS. Its just not one im interested in, Get back to reality and remember what your flying here. If your that hung up on it sell all your S%#t and go log some more hours in the real deal. If not remember to fly your rc heli non heading hold and dont do any 3D cause the real ones cant do it.

Il say it again for you....I HEAR BYE STATE THAT RC HELIS ARE BETTER FLOWN IN MODE 2.

But......as for the worth of mode 2, to me its worth JACK SH!T, Ill fly how I want to. And to be honest even flying mode 1, I would probably out fly quite a few Mode 2ers.

PEACE OUT.......

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10-31-2008 07:06 AM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

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If not remember to fly your rc heli non heading hold and dont do any 3D cause the real ones cant do it.

lol...good point. Actually remove the gyro altogether and let the fun begin!!

10-31-2008 07:50 AM

subarus
Heliman
Location: South East Asia

I changed from mode 1 to mode 2.

When in Mode 1, I could fly inverted circles, tictoc, rainbows and the basic stuffs on the field.

It has been 1.5 year now since I changed to Mode 2. Here's my 2 cents:

- Switching modes is not impossible, simulator helps but at times of panic, the brain will automatically switch to mode 1. This is the unconcious reaction that I had to struggle with during the first few months of transition. Crashed twice because of it.

- Most flyers on the field I fly are on mode 1, I am unable to help new flyers with their helis.

What made me switch? When in mode 1, I could do fairly advanced maneuvers in sims, inverted piroetting circles, four point tictoc etc but I could not do piroetting flip/kaos no matter how hard I tried. At that time the decision was easy.. either stop flying or switch.

10-31-2008 08:40 AM

AirWolfRC
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Location: 42½ N, 83½ W

lpearce, that's a whole lot of sputtering for "not arguing"

10-31-2008 03:56 PM

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