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Main Discussion > changing from mode1 to mode 2

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

made the decision about a month ago to do this, like learning all over again.... funny thing its easy to hover in mode 2 and would you belive it I can do "funnels" now in this mode...... only time problems come into it is when you get a little twisted up and good old instinct kicks in making things very messy ended it tears once so far with a minor crash but im sure its worth it, its so more intuitive this way,,,, tried for a laugh flicking back to mode one just for a bit on the controller and hell I cant fly mode one now!!! guess thats a good sign, to those who have thought of doing it, I think its well worth the tears and effort....

07-12-2008 06:35 AM

T-Rex-Flyer
Key Veteran
Location: Panama City, Fl

I think a Sim would come in handy in over-coming this new learning curve.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.

07-12-2008 01:40 PM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

Me 23 or so years on mode 1. 4 years on mode two. Took a long while to change and did it on the sim. It wasn't that hard to fly but it took a long time to change the motor skills to prevent making errors in correction. Basically it will take a while to completely stop making the wrong moves under pressure.

1. Dont change between mode 1 and mode 2 at all.
2. Hit the sim really hard.
3. Take it easy at the feild and gain confidence.
4. Love the piro manouevres.
5. Enjoy the fact that the local "hero" doesn't want to test fly your new plane if you ever get one because he's on mode 1. LOL

Dont give up on it. I did 3 times and took a year to change but stopped flying my helis for a 3 or 4 month period while hitting the sim hard and got mode 1 completely out of my system. I can't fly mode 1 now at all. (unless it's a plank)

07-13-2008 12:44 AM

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

you are correcy helinutz

you cant do it without a sim, must admit I really cant understand an advantage using mode 1? I suspect mode 1 dates back to the old style "relay" type controllers I actually think its harder to retrain than when you first start because of that instinct thing and your mind playing tricks making you think you can just rip into ff

07-13-2008 01:17 AM

jaycab
Senior Heliman
Location: The Magic City

36 years on Mode 1 (planks) going on two years Mode 2
with helis.Sim helped a lot.All I do is think about
helis and Mode 2 comes automatic.After all, it is a different
machine,that helps avoid confusion.It works for me...

Jaycab

07-13-2008 01:19 AM

Maxists The Baddist
Senior Heliman
Location: Erie,Pa

Why did you guys have to switch?

07-13-2008 01:24 AM

jaycab
Senior Heliman
Location: The Magic City

The ease of having some one to help (Mode 2) helis
Not to many fly Mode 1 down here, I think I'm the
only Dinosaur in my area that flys Mode 1

Jaycab

07-13-2008 01:33 AM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

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Why did you guys have to switch?

Because my fingers dont connect with my brain as fast as they used to and piro manouevres were simply almost impossible for me to get although I did not really try hard for a long time before making the decision. I am also a pilot for my job and I really always wanted to have all cyclic/flight controls on one stick. Not necessary but I like it.

Now I can do piroflips....badly...but it's a long way easier than mode 1 for me.

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you cant do it without a sim, must admit I really cant understand an advantage using mode 1

Yep....you can do anything without a sim. I found it very very cheap to crash over and over while changing modes on the sim and it took a lot less time than it would have doing it on the actual heli. 'nough said.

Some fliers like mode 1 for large scale aero's and F3C type manouevres as the aileron and elevator are seperated and therefore dumb thumb interaction is elminated. This can help with extremely smooth flying and if I was only into planks I'd still be on mode 1. Yet for heli's...sorry....mode 1 sucks for me. I did it long enough on mode 1 to know.

07-13-2008 05:59 AM

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

same here mode 1 is not intuitive

mode two basically follows the heli so thats got to be good

07-13-2008 06:32 AM

rchelinz
Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Ok I’ve been thinking about changing to mode 2 for about 8 months but I just can't decide. Here’s my situation, I fly only weekends sat and sun as I can’t during the week about 7 flights over the 2 days and a bit less than 1 hour a week on the sim which I could do more. I've been trying to learn some 3D but struggle a bit probably not enough flying. So if I made the change to mode 2 that’s if it's worth while for me, just how much sim time and how long do you think it would take to change/learn?

Would appreciate some advice.
Cheers

Ps. Ive been flying Mode 1 about 10 years

T-rex 500/600E AP/600N/Raptor 60v2A109

07-13-2008 11:15 AM

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

For 3D you will progress a TON faster with Mode 2. It is far more intuitive IMHO. I never flew Mode 1 but Mode 2 just makes sense, especially for Piro maneuvers as Nut says. I just went from thumb to pinch and it has taken me about 10 hours on the SIM to get back to about 90% of my old skills.

I know Mode 1>Mode 2 is harder but I imagine the SIM is just the ticket to get it nailed.

Good luck!!

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

07-13-2008 12:26 PM

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coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Thanks for that Jason

I can already see the benefits, the other day while mucking around on the sim I ended up doing funnels without even trying, by funnels I mean nose down with the tail spiraling is that correct? how many GOOD pilots do you know who use mode 1?

07-14-2008 05:18 AM

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

There are very few. In fact I can't think of any top 3D pilots who use Mode 1.

Funnels are EASY with Mode 2. ANY funnel begins with a standard turn and then you just ease the Rudder over harder and speed it up to match the cyclics. Easy.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

07-14-2008 05:26 AM

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coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

lol

imagine a funnel with mode 1?

07-14-2008 05:29 AM

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

well my thoughts after about a month

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So if I made the change to mode 2 that’s if it's worth while for me, just how much sim time and how long do you think it would take to change/learn?

I just decided out of the blue to try it... it was more like "what if" so I changed over my transmitter in about 15 min JR9Xii and had a go... was hovering roughly within 10 minutes and its improving all the time! NOW THE WARNINGS I am sure you like me will hover very fast but what happens is you have a built in "instinct" for a better word which makes you "fix" a flying whoopsie without even realising you have done it, this you need to break before you will have success, my first attempt was with my copterx and it was not nice, took off and just got tied up and ended up dumping it... oh well I wanted to fit the new CF boom anyways, since then I have forced myself to be grounded until I get better, I found a really good trick is to do one of two things, 1 on Reflex set the wind to be gusty or stronger (this causes unusual reactions which help you learn) 2 set your tail to flick around either to the left or right (this also causes you to build new reaction skills hopefully breaking the old ones)

07-14-2008 05:35 AM

GimbalFan
Elite Veteran
Location: Copter County, Nv

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I suspect mode 1 dates back to the old style "relay" type controllers

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Why did you guys have to switch?

Modes 1 and 4 are indeed legacy modes from the early days of RC. There's certain plank maneuvers which are a bit easier to do in 1 or 4 than in 2 or 3.

In theory it doesn't matter for helis whether a guy chooses Mode 2 or Mode 3, since both have their cyclic controls on one stick, but since +90% of the RC heli community flies in Mode 2 it's clearly the sensible choice, especially over 1 or 4. Also, learning to fly full-sized helicopters will require a slightly shallower learning curve if one first learns to fly RC helis in Mode 2.

I began in Mode 3 (d'oh!) for no logical reason whatsoever. I can't (safely) fly anyone else's helis nor they mine unless we can buddybox, but planks in Mode 2 aren't much of a problem. It's harder for this old fart to learn Mode 2 heli muscle memories than it was in the beginning to learn Mode 3 for both, so for me, screw it -- I'm unwilling to risk my birds, knowing how likely it is old habits will kick in during save situations. A sim teaches about this in spades.

These sorts of fine control muscle memories are MUCH easier to unlearn and retrain for young folks than for old farts.

Under 30? I'd say making the change is worthwhile -- go for it.

Old fart? Better and 'less crumbly' to just live with it.

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07-14-2008 05:46 AM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

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It wasn't that hard to fly but it took a long time to change the motor skills to prevent making errors in correction. Basically it will take a while to completely stop making the wrong moves under pressure

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NOW THE WARNINGS I am sure you like me will hover very fast but what happens is you have a built in "instinct" for a better word which makes you "fix" a flying whoopsie without even realising you have done it, this you need to break before you will have success,

Yup main thing about changing. Hence the sim is the best way to......

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crash over and over while changing modes on the sim and it took a lot less time than it would have doing it on the actual heli

Good luck. it's worth it.

07-14-2008 06:05 AM

coops2
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

I will get there

Practice every night!!

07-15-2008 06:37 AM

Cpig
Heliman
Location: Colorado

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I began in Mode 3 (D'oh!) for no logical reason whatsoever. I can't safely fly anyone else's birds nor they mine unless we can buddybox. It's harder (for this old fart anyway) to learn Mode 2 muscle memories than it was to learn Mode 3 in the beginning, so for me, screw it -- I'm unwilling to risk my birds when old habits inevitably kick in during a save situation.

Gimbal,
I thought I was the only one who flies Mode 3. People are always asking me why I don't change to mode 2; so I just ask them why they don't change to mode 3.
Instead of using a buddy box, I guess we could hold the Mode 2 radio upside down and reverse all of the servos which would give us mode 3

07-16-2008 12:51 AM

JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

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so I just ask them why they don't change to mode 3.

That's a silly question IMHO since the BULK of pilots fly Mode 2 so why would you go against the norm? It doesn't make you a better pilot flying Mode 3, and then you can't buddy box etc. with the majority.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

07-16-2008 01:03 AM

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