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Hi everyone. I am completely new to the rc helicopter scene. It has always been and interest of mine but never was pursued. I was wondering if anybody out there could give me advice on my first helicopter to buy (brand etc..) and also what else I need to but with it. Also any good links for beginners would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks so much everyone.
10-16-2001 Over year old.
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penguin
Heliman
Location: Ipswich UK

I am at the same stage you are really, I started researching it around 3 weeks ago (although I do come from a good technical background).

First you need to decide on the size of the heli, these are sized as the type of engine they sport. .30 is nearly the smallest small sized ones as far as I know, .60 is also another popular size. I will talk about .30's as that is what I am considering. .30's are cheaper to buy, repair, run (as far as pertrol goes).

As far as costs go, and good flying the Raptor .30 seems to be the prefered suggestion for beginners, and aslo the ball bearing upgrade. Another .30 was suggested, (began with a C can't remember the name at the moment) but it was slightly more expensive.

For the radio kit, I am going for a Futaba FF9 with 3001 servos and 149dp receiver. I am getting this as a deal.
For radio equipment 5 channels are required, with 6 suggested. There are 5 degrees of movement, and the extra channel is used for the gyro, a device which helps you automatically control the read rotor pitch to counter-act the angular forces generated by the main rotor blades.
The radio equipment is less likely to be damaged in a crash, this is why many people have suggested that a begginer gets the best they can afford. The ff9 has 9 channels and therefore the other channels can be used for extra items (i.e. some helis have retractable landing gear, or winches, switches, automatic glowplug startes). The expensive option allows for 2 different options:
a) You give up. The expensive radios will be new, and you can sell them on for a reasonable amount.
b) You will carry on to be the best flyer ever. You can use the extra features.

However, don't kid yourself, flying heli's ain't easy.

The engine depends on the type of heli, and possibly whether you can get a deal or not. Raptors are often bundled with Thunder Tigre (This is the only way I have seen the ENGINE spelt) .36's or OS .32's. I am going to go for an OS, because I have heard some people complain of problems with the TT.

A gyro is a good idea, and if you get one, a fast servo is also a good idea.

There are other items that you will need, for either making the heli, or flying it. I downloaded the manual for the Raptor, and found that allayed many of my fears as to what I would need to support it. On page 3 there is quite a good list of things like glow plug starter.
I hope this helps.

Also a GOOD flight sim is a good idea, preferably one that can use your transmitter (Tx). This will save money in the long-run, because there will (hopefully) be less repair bills.

Many places do combos that contain almost everything that you will need. Also if you can, talk to a local hobby shop and club (I haven't but I ain't exactly local).
It looks like it will be an expensive hobby, but I think it is worth persevering.

Gareth

[I have decided I will order my radio equipment soon, and possibly a sim (or get a free one) ff9 +4 3001 servos +R149dp, Gyro 401/9253]
10-16-2001 Over year old.
 
 
vetrider
Elite Veteran
Location: Daleville, AL (Ft.Rucker)

Excellent job of explaining it, Penguin.
I think the other "C" type Heli might be the Century Hawk series. Hawk IV is the latest one.

http://www.heli-world.com/centuryheli/index.shtml

I likes your radio choice too!

I would recomend anyone getting started to read this post.

Magnum Fuel
10-16-2001 Over year old.
 
 
Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

penguin
For a "newbe" you did a great job.
10-16-2001 Over year old.
 
 
jfair
Senior Heliman
Location: Ft Lauderdale FL

Dam Peguin, You learn to fly as fast as you picked up the rest of this, and Curtis better watch out!!



Jeff
10-17-2001 Over year old.
 
 
CCoker
Senior Heliman
Location: Atlanta,GA

Hum...??????
10-17-2001 Over year old.
 
 
penguin
Heliman
Location: Ipswich UK

Yep Century that's the one.
Gareth
10-17-2001 Over year old.
 
 
moose
Senior Heliman
Location: Somerset UK

Penguin

good reply - good choice of radio, gyro and engine, I can't comment on the Raptor as I have never flown one. I learnt heli's many years ago on one of the very first Century Hawk mk1's imported into the UK - in fact I still fly it now (not very often though as parts are hard to get !!).

The Hawks are good heli's and I know a lot of people who have learnt on them.

Another choice for a 30 is the Hirobo Shuttle, the only thing to watch with this is that the Hirobo Sceadu is just about to be released in the UK. The initial release will be a replacement ,?, for the top end of the Shuttle range. There are rumours that eventually the whole Shuttle range will be replaced and this could cause a parts problem in the future.

As far as the choice between a 60 and 30 for learning - I would always suggest a 30. It is cheaper to repair (you WILL crash at some point !!), cheaper to run and because of the lower initial cost you will be more likely to try things out (with a 60 you will always be thinking of the greater initial cost etc.).

Good luck !!
10-17-2001 Over year old.
 
 
penguin
Heliman
Location: Ipswich UK

Hmm, I think the official name for the ff9 is the 9c. However whilst looking at the futaba site I noticed that it does not include an inverse function. Does anyone think I will really miss this, seeing as it will be my first radio?
Initially it sounded good to have, as a kind of insurance whilst learning nose-in or (heaven forbid) inverted filght.
Gareth
10-18-2001 Over year old.
 
 
moose
Senior Heliman
Location: Somerset UK

Gareth

The inverse function will not help you with nose in - it is for inverted flight. Rather than repeat what has been posted on the Radio/Servo forum under 'inverse function on FF8U super' go there and have a lot at what has been said about that particular function.
10-22-2001 Over year old.
 
 
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Shuttle or Nexus

For a first heli I would go with a 30 size, there easier to maintain and repaire and parts are cheeper. I would go with a hirobo shuttle or nexus witch fly very good. They are fully upgradeable as you increase your skill. Have fun with your new heli.
10-29-2001 Over year old.
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