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CLASSIFIEDS - Fuel-Helicopters > Futura SE $350.00 shipped
 
 
Undecided
Heliman
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Hello all
I have a futura se that I need to sell. Heli is in good shape but may need new a new clutch bearing and one main shaft bearing depending on how paticular you are with you bearings. [they are a little rough] Heli is all complete and comes with manual.

asking $350.00 shipped

reply direct to

nealnewell@aristotle.net

Thanks, Neal


04-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
alawel
Veteran
Location: Springfield Oregon

I'm interested, please check your mail....Alan
04-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
limey
Senior Heliman
Location: Pittsburgh,PA

Neal,

I am interested but are you sure it is an SE. Could you provide a close up picture of the air frame. The main gear doesn't look right and also the rods that connect the servo arms to the bell cranks don't look right. Are the servo's mounted in rockers? The arms look like they come down really low.

Thanks!
Steve.
04-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Undecided
Heliman
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Hello steve

I am sure it is a se as the manual matches the heli and as far as the control rods they are loose in the pic and not attached to the bellcranks in the pic because I had just pulled servos out.


neal
04-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
iluvtoflyrc
Heliman
Location: Lincoln Nebraska

04-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Undecided
Heliman
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Hello to all

I am working on a trade with someone right now if it falls through I will repost.


thanks, neal
04-20-2003 Over year old.
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

This machine doesn't look quite right. It is most likely a first run kit with the old style Futura Main gear. Is there any chance you might post a close up of the mechanics?

Terry
04-20-2003 Over year old.
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FlyinBrian
Veteran
Location: USA

Hi,

Not 100% sure if this is the same heli I had in my possession but since its the same photo I am gonna assume it is. He was nice enough to refund the money to me.

Curious, have you replaced anything since I sent it back to you 2-16-2003? I know my list was longer than what you mentioned but maybe I am just too particular

If anybody would like to see my partial list of what is needed send me an email, I never made it past the drive train though so the rest of it is at your own risk.......
04-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Undecided
Heliman
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Hello all

Auger purchased this heli from me awhile back and was not happy with what he got so I refunded his money per his request. He had several problems with the heli most of which I thought were very pickey but upon him shipping the heli back to me I did note the clutch bearings and one main bearing were notchy. This is why I listed the problems in my new add. Here is a copy of my reply to him.


Hello Brian



Sorry I missed you I went out to eat and by the time I got back it was 7:30 CST so I missed you. I would like to talk to you over the phone first but it looks like from your email I won't be able to get you until monday.


I would like to tell you what I think after reading your emails. Please understand this is not my final word as I really want to talk to you in person over the phone before I make a final decision about what to do about your request for a refund.


First off in one of my emails I sent you I stated very clearly that I had received it in a trade and I just have not ever done anything with the heli. This should have told you that I had never flown the heli.


Considering these helis cost about $900.00 new and I was selling it for $375.00 would let a person know he was not getting a new heli and to expect, depending on how nice they like their heli to be, to preform some or alot of work to get it up to their standards.



I never flew this heli but I did look at it quite alot as I was thinking of buying the parts to convert it to a nova and I didn't notice the bad bearings that you say it has, not to say that they are not there. my definition of a bad bearing may be different from yours as sometimes I just clean and grease a bearing if it is just a little rough and alot of the time it takes care of it. I played with the clutch some and I don't remember the bearings being rough. also the radial and thrust bearings in the head don't rotate but 20 degrees or so and I have never seen any of the bearings go bad under any circumstances.





I have bought and sold many helis on runryder and others and I have had good results but inevitably I always have to replace some bearings or other stuff on the helis I have purchased because my opinion of what is good always is different form some ones elses.





Do I think I sold you a bad heli? No I think you got a heli that need a little work to be in top notch condition but as you asked me does it have any major problems? no I don't think it has any major problems at all. all the major parts of the heli are in good shape and I am sure you could get it flying without doing much at all to it. just cleaning and regreasing the bearing and going through to check every thing and I think the heli would be in good flying shape. I don't think for a minute that the heli is too dangerous to fly.



this is what I would like to offer. you can get the bearings from boca bearings at a reduced price from what oem wants from them and they are just as good. I am willing to send you a money order for $100.00 to cover the cost of what you say is wrong with it. I think this is fair for both of us but this is not my final word on this it is just my thoughts on the matter that I thought I would pass along to you. Please don't let anything I said offend you as I did not intend it to I am just letting you know my feelings on the matter. I hope we can Talk over the phone soon to get this matter sorted out. Please email me back and tell me what you think. If the $100.00 check is ok I will get it out to you on tuesday.





Thanks, neal
04-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Lapointe
Senior Heliman
Location: Enumclaw, Wash

Neal

Neal is a stand up guy and a good person to deal with as far as I have seen from him!!!

Keith Lapointe
04-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FlyinBrian
Veteran
Location: USA

Hi,

Keith, "Neal is a stand up guy and a good person to deal with as far as I have seen from him!!!"

I am kinda torn on that one, he did return my money but I would be a believer if he had mentioned a few of the other problems, lets face it a bent flybar is a bent flybar and there really is no question on that..

The clutch bearings are bad, tight, notchy, rough, dry, (I did'nt say dirty) they have locked up at one time and spun inside the clutch bell. The clutch is blue and it was'nt annodized (heat treated, hot start, you get the picture). The main shaft and flybar bearings could probably be cleaned up and re-used buts they are gonna be rough and cause problems .

The secondary pulley bearings where bone dry, felt rough and made a ton of noise and from the looks of the machine they had a lot of time on them, more than likely due for new ones. As I said above I did'nt go any farther into the heli.

Am I picky, yes and this is not ebay. Is it really that much work to check the heli out before putting it up for sale, "I did'nt see the problem's" is b.s.. The first time around I honestly believed it was a mistake but after seeing the same heli for sale and no mention of the problems I am now sure it was'nt.

The price is not an indication of the helis condition and it really does'nt help when you say "in good shape". If anybody is considering purchasing this heli I firmly believe it is pretty much worn out, not maintained and lots of hours in the air and in need of some $$$.

Neal, You know the condition of the heli and the problems and so do I. If you had put an honest descriptive post up my messages would of never been seen. But to me it looks like your trying to hide some known problems. Bad bearings really are not that subjective. Cleaing a bad bearing will not fix a pitted race, replacing it will.





Here is my email for which neal's response is up above (kinda out of order)

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After finding out the rear big pulley bearings where bad (either top or bottom or possibly both) I quit looking, I have'nt looked at the head or tail bearings as of yet. So far these are the bearings that it needs:

2 - S0245 Clutch Bearing 15x24x5 $16.45 $32.90 (there is also some damage to the hub because the bearings where'nt turning)
1 - S0211 Main Shaft Bearing 10x22x6 $14.06
1 - S3534 Flybar $8.96 (bent)
2 - S3367 Flybar Bearings 4x10x4 $24.42 (may clean up and work fine)
1 - S0210 - BALL BEARING 10X19X5 (1) $14.92 (upper belt pulley bearing)
1 - S0212 - BALL BEARING 8X16X5 (1) $15.18 (lower belt pulley bearing)
Total $110.44 (just a start from what I've looked at)

The spindle and mainshaft appear to be straight but I am afraid due to the amount of time on the tail and head bearings / thrust bearings they are probably bad as well. I simply quit looking due to the prices of the bearings. I just dont beleive its cost effective to get back into the air.

I just ask for a refund on the $375 and once that is received I will send the helicopter back at my cost, more than likely you can sell it as a parts machine for the same price to someone else. This is my first robbe so it just wont serve me much purpose as it is and the cost to repair it is just too high for me to consider that. I really did'nt expect perfection originally, just a flyable helicopter. Quite a few of the bearings are rough enough to cause some major radio problems.

We can hopefully handle this via email for now, I unfortunely managed to pick up a cold or flew in the last couple of days so I do know how you felt a week ago. Much more pleasent to hack, cough and sneeze on my keyboard than my phone As it is now I do believe it is an honest mistake that any of use can make.

Let me know,
Brian
04-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Lapointe
Senior Heliman
Location: Enumclaw, Wash

Bent flybar

Fly bar could have been bent in shipping and if you want a new heli buy one. $350 is very CHEAP for a used Futura SE is it not?
I watch people buy a Heli for half price or less and want it to be new.

Just the fact that he gave you a refund tells me a lot about the guy!!!
I have had a couple of dealings with him and had no problem.

Keith Lapointe
04-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FlyinBrian
Veteran
Location: USA

Keith,

"Fly bar could have been bent in shipping ", I suppose if ups had mounted the flybar in the head and spun the box up to 1500 rpm and brought it to an abrupt stop the flybar would of bent in the typical "S" shape like we find after a crash.

Last time I saw se's for sale in the usa they where going for $500 from ricks, if this is such a good deal then why dont you purchase the heli from him???
04-21-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Undecided
Heliman
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas

Hello Keith

Thanks very much for the kind words. It's nice to have someone on my side. Some people in this world you just cannot please no matter what you do. Auger wasn't happy so I refunded his money and thats the facts. The rest is just somebodys opinion of what happened. I guess the only mistake I made was not taking the heli apart down to the last screw, nut and bolt and replacing everything that had the least bit of wear or a scrach on it. I guess thats why there called used helis instead of new helis!!


Neal
04-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
Lapointe
Senior Heliman
Location: Enumclaw, Wash

$250 heli

Seems to me he offered you a $100 refund so that make's it a $250 heli in my book! What the hell can you get for $250???
I didn't see the flybar but For about $4 to $6 I could have replaced it?
Was it really bent like a S ??? or was that a stretch?
Anyway if he went that far then he is a good guy in my opinion!!!

Keith Lapointe
All's well that ends Well!
04-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
FlyinBrian
Veteran
Location: USA

Neal & Keith, do you two write late night tv commercials? If you dont then you have missed your calling
04-22-2003 Over year old.
 
 
JerelZ
Heliman
Location: Oak Ridge TN

sent an email

Neal,

Sent you an email on your SE.

Jerel
04-22-2003 Over year old.
HOMEPAGE  
 
 
Lapointe
Senior Heliman
Location: Enumclaw, Wash

Late nite TV

Now thats an idea Auger
TSK TSK TSK Now Be Nice!!!

Keith Lapointe
04-23-2003 Over year old.
 
 
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