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Radio - JR & Spektrum DSM > Another AR7100R and another broken antenna
 
 
creightoncarr
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Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

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In some cases a slight “tail twitching” may be noticed as the antenna intermittently make contact however in many cases the issue may not be detected.


From the Spektrum bulletin. Sure seems to suggest more than three to me.
07-24-2008 03:20 PM
 
 
Jlerch
Senior Heliman
Location: Parrish, Florida

Well, Here is my contribution to this mess with bonus broken stuff. All in 7 flights, 5 of them simple test flights. If you gonna fly 100% curves, you better be on the ball!






James Lerch - ManateeRC Member - Blade 400 - Raptor 60 - Lots of sim time
07-26-2008 01:18 AM
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Futura SE
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Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

Sorry guy, but that is vibration based. It looks like the part is beat to death by vibration.

I just recieved my AR7100R back today from horizon. It was sent in over a month ago due to the first time I powered it up it went up in smoke. Had a bad trace on the board. Can happen to anything I guess.

My new one has glue on the solder joint of the antenne on the main board. The solder joint looks good too. It didn't look bad on my first one. Time will tell.

I have a AR7100 that has been inservice for over 3 gallons and so far it is fine and I pull on the antenna after every days of flying.

Norman Ross Jr.
07-26-2008 03:53 AM
 
 
# 1 VIBE USA
Senior Heliman
Location: in a galaxey far far away

looks like i'm going to run a second sat just to give me a better safety margin i hate it when things go wrong and it always seems to happen soooo fast.Tom

can u make it go faster
07-26-2008 06:27 PM
 
 
creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

I love denial.
07-27-2008 02:24 AM
 
 
Futura SE
Veteran
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

I mean vibration for the backplate sensor. I honestly believe there was/is a bad batch of AR7100's. Or it has a design flaw with the antenna.

Norman Ross Jr.
07-27-2008 03:10 AM
 
 
creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

Sorry, my bad. I wasn't specifically referring to you though. It seems there are a number of people who continue to insist there is absolutely no problem other than the end users are idiots.
07-27-2008 04:33 AM
 
 
Futura SE
Veteran
Location: Fayetteville, Arkansas

I honestly do not think it had very much field R&D. Also when all field testing is done by professional pilots on professionally built machines problems like this don't crop up until the product makes it way to end users like us.

Just my thoughts,

Norman Ross Jr.
07-27-2008 05:01 AM
 
 
Jlerch
Senior Heliman
Location: Parrish, Florida

With regards to my crank sensor problem, it is clearly a vibration problem, one that should have been addressed by the design engineers, not by me, the end user. (The new sensor will addressed by me once I get it and encase the thing in epoxy)

The problem as I see it is the green circuit board is not constrained to the plastic case by any method. The circuit board is held in position by the 4 solid pins from the hall sensor and what ever support is offered by the 3 wire connection to the receiver. Now that the pins to the hall sensor have all sheared off, I can wiggle the green circuit board with my thumb nail. I would think an unconstrained mass attached to solid conductors, bolted to the prime source of high frequency vibration to be considered a bad engineering idea.

From my point of view this is clearly a design problem. Perhaps it was exasperated by my setup, or perhaps the YS-80 motor shares some resonance with the circuit board. I don't, I'm not smart enough to answer the question.

Installing the sensor isn't rocket science, and I don't really see how it could be done improperly. I mean it's hard mounted to the motor, how exactly would I shield it from vibrations? I've got 0.003inch of run out on the clutch / fan hub, I also balanced the clutch / fan hub assembly.

Also, I gotta admit, it seems freaking silly that the first thing I have to do to my new receiver is take it apart and address a manufacturing flaw on the antenna mount, perhaps I am just not a hard core modeler..

James Lerch - ManateeRC Member - Blade 400 - Raptor 60 - Lots of sim time
07-27-2008 06:39 AM
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Jlerch
Senior Heliman
Location: Parrish, Florida

Dang it, I should have saved my posting till the AM instead of this silly hour.

re-reading Futura SE's post of:
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Sorry guy, but that is vibration based. It looks like the part is beat to death by vibration.

The first time I read it I took it as "You idiot, you destroyed your sensor" so I got a little defensive Now that I've re-read his post I think he was offering condolences, not scorn..

In any event, I'm going to encase the new crank sensor in Epoxy and go for broke. (whoops, perhaps that's a bad choice of words! )

James Lerch - ManateeRC Member - Blade 400 - Raptor 60 - Lots of sim time
07-27-2008 07:03 AM
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lazy-b
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Guys, I have found a simple solution for Broken antenna due to vibration.......use a SILICON TUBING its the same silicon tubing use in our nitro engine but a much smaller in diameter....you can find it in a Hobbyshop that sell COX 0.049 engine.....This smaller silicon tubing is use in small engine.

I just cut the Silicon Tube with the same Lenght as the Antenna, and the inserted the Silicon Tube, the Silicon Tube will keep the antenna Straight....the silicon tube will hold the antenna securely, if you want additional security, maybe you can put a little Silicon sealant on the base of the antenna.
07-29-2008 11:54 AM
 
 
marked23
Key Veteran
Location: Lynnwood, WA

Don't use regular Silicone RTV. The vapors from the curing agent are acetic acid. This stuff is bad for electronics.

Read more:
http://www.logwell.com/tech/servtips/RTV.html

If you want to use something silicone-like, use GE Silicone II. It's non-acetic.

-Mark
07-29-2008 03:58 PM
 
 
darksidedave
Senior Heliman
Location: niles,MI

My two 7100R's that were backordered forever it seemed came in today...
I looked inside and there is a wad of glue on the antenna attachment point and a piece of foam tape sticking the bottom case to the lowest circut board,that should be fixed allready ?
07-29-2008 10:42 PM
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3Dx
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Location: Monterrey NL Mexico!

darksidedave
Yes, I bet they are fixed.

It will be nice if you post some pics.
07-29-2008 11:10 PM
 
 
lazy-b
Senior Heliman
Location: Manila, Philippines

Guys, here is the Silicon Tube inserted on JR Receiver, No need to Glue it........look like I need more Silicon Tubing and installed in on all my Spectrum Receiver.



07-31-2008 05:05 AM
 
 
darksidedave
Senior Heliman
Location: niles,MI

I put a 7100R on the 600N and got in a couple of flights yesterday,no problems at all.The governer is super easy to setup on a DX7 and worked fine with the multigov sensor.The 600 is on KrAcK now
The first pic you can see the white foam tape between the case and bottom board,
Second pic,foam tape between the boards,
Third pic, wad of glue on antenna solder point.
08-01-2008 02:18 AM
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Jlerch
Senior Heliman
Location: Parrish, Florida

Well, I got my replacement receiver in today, and shot these two little "rant" video's

My fix for the video below was to place slim folded over pieces of servo tape below the circuit board, and a larger piece on top of the board. In addition I added the prescribed 'goop' to the antenna, even though there was a tiny bit on it when I got it.

So, here is the video I shot on the receivers

http://www.vimeo.com/1449239

Then I shot this video ranting about the crank sensor

http://www.vimeo.com/1449319

The sensor epoxy is almost cured, so I'll see if I can take some photo's once its done.

Let me know what you think...

James Lerch - ManateeRC Member - Blade 400 - Raptor 60 - Lots of sim time
08-01-2008 10:02 PM
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Climax
Veteran
Location: West London, United Kingdom

Sometimes it's good to rant... I enjoyed your videos!
08-01-2008 11:01 PM
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Airship1
Senior Heliman
Location: Arizona

Great info! I definitely like your choice of music in the backround.LOL...
One question? Was your RX hard mounted? If your receiver was packed in impact foam would the PWB vibrate like your showing? I see it more and more nobody seems to be protecting the receiver with impact foam and just hard mounting with 2 sided tape or Velcro..
Also can you please show us your repaired finished product.
Thanks

Vibe 50-1, Vibe 50-2, T-Rex 700, Vibe 90
08-02-2008 03:06 AM
 
 
Ghostrider
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

I mounted my AR7100 on ZEAL tape. The stuff is like a bed of jello. After about 2 gallons on the new receiver, I checked the wire and everything is good.

Sam Gammo
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness".
08-02-2008 04:07 AM
 
 
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