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Synergy R/C Synergy N9 > Why is the Synergy N9 heavier than a T-Rex 700
 
 
steph280
Key Veteran
Location: Irvine, California

This is a Synergy forum, of course you will get bunch of "Trex 700 sucks" comments from Synergy owners who is afraid a cheaper machine will fly better. How many of those negative comments came from people who actually own both? If T-Rex 700 wasn't from Align but has a Synergy label on it, I think the comments would be much different.
07-03-2008 12:44 AM
 
 
jal250r
Veteran
Location: Mankato, MN, US

Who cares anymore. fly what you want and burn fuel. If you can find some.
Point is that the weight differince will not be noticed by 90% of people that fly them. And as far as witch will be better. My guess is that the 700n will be great, but will not out class the N9. It will be cheaper and have some different features that some might like. You will not see Synergy owners dumping N9s for 700n I belive
What am I talking about anyways the thread is about " Why is the Synergy N9 heavier than a T-Rex 700".

"Feed the Need to 3D"
07-03-2008 12:57 AM
 
 
unruly_heli_nut
Senior Heliman
Location: SoCal

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You will not see Synergy owners dumping N9s for 700n I belive


If parts availability is any indication, I just might. Not that parts supply is an issue with the Synergy on the Internet. But I can go to at least 4 local hobby shops around my area, and I bet all of them will carry parts for the 700.

I can get 0 parts from them for the Synergy.


I take that back, Zooms does. But it's far as heck.
07-03-2008 01:08 AM
 
 
jal250r
Veteran
Location: Mankato, MN, US

I can see your point totally there. The closest hobby shop to me is about 70miles so I order online anyways. Being able to get parts for a synergy in my town would be great, any heli for that matter

"Feed the Need to 3D"
07-03-2008 01:17 AM
 
 
dkfuji
Senior Heliman
Location: The O.C., CA

Maybe I'm just lucky, but my LHS has a wall of Synergy parts and canopies and CP 30% on the shelf for a decent price. Might be because the owner's got a couple of Synergy N9's as does the main heli floor guy.

Fly hard, have fun and take it home in one piece...
07-03-2008 05:13 AM
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

man some people need to remove their head from the sand....weight isn't an issue????

i have 2 synergys and i love them, superb helis and i just built a trex 700 last week. the synergys are touching 10.6lbs.....the trex is just touching 9.8lbs. that DOES make a difference.

i have not flown the 700 yet but it will need to go some to topple the synergy. if it does fly close to it your looking at one guy that will sell both synergys.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-03-2008 07:50 AM
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Janis
Senior Heliman
Location: Århus, Denmark

Hi Guys,

Would you please calm down. My thread was not about which is better-my p...s is larger than yours bla bla bla.I was asking because I would consitter bying one of them an go 12s electrik. Because of the heavier drive train from 12s (2,1KG all inclusiv) then I need the lightest one.
If I look at the Video of CCboles flyrbarless Synergy than wight does not seems to matter with electric.
Anyway I love the Synergy looks really nice but the T-Rex 700 seem to have some goodies too.

So if you woul like to commend this thread please stay to topic.

Regards from Denmark

...exist something better than V-bar and women...
07-03-2008 07:51 AM
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pariah
Senior Heliman
Location: West Valley City, UT - United States of America

I'd say a lot of the difference in weight comes down to nickle & dime weight additions. (ie. a few grams here and there adding up)

The Synergy is probably the most rugged heli than any I've ever seen - larger balls for the linkages, larger pushrods, a massive flybar, a massive one-way bearing for the main shaft.

The flybar alone would account for no small amount of the weight difference - the thing is just huge, and it's made of steel, which is pretty heavy stuff.

While the shaft may sound similar - ie. hollow steel shaft of the same diameter, the difference may be in the thickness of the shaft. (And the length of the shaft).

The only machine I've seen that even compares in terms of the size of the control rods & links is the (much larger) Bergen Turbine.

The radio tray on the N9 is plastic - IIRC, the 700 is more along the lines of cutouts in the carbon frames. If that's the case, the 700 cuts out the separate radio tray, and just mounts the radio gear to the frames directly. I'm sure that's a bit lighter as well.

Then there's the added weight of radio gear - the selection of the radio gear can make quite a difference as well - a different gyro, a different governor, different servos, different battery, etc. will also skew the 'ready to fly' weights.

Will any of it make a difference to buyers? I doubt it. I bought my N9 knowing full well that the Stratus weighs less than the N9 or 700. I bought the N9 knowing the Avant would weigh less as well.

I think the 700 is as ugly as a heli can get, with or without a canopy. That alone nixed any thought of the 700 - though the stories from Trex owners whose machines 'wore out' quickly didn't help much.

It's actually a bit odd - I don't see any pilots at my field flying any Align machines anymore - and this is in spite of the 600 being one of two .50 sized machines for which the LHS carries parts. I still see Raptors - but nothing from Align. I mostly see helis whose brands (and parts) are NOT carried by the LHS - ie. JR, Hirobo, MA, Century, Synergy, Bergen, Vario...


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Helicopters & Women: The last thing I want is one whose head has a few loose screws.
07-07-2008 04:34 AM
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riguardino
New Heliman
Location: Italy

600gramms more??? My N9 is only 4.5Kg all up. A single G10 frame is 120gramms and mines on carbon is 80 each... I use HyperTechnology Kit with original extra weight canopy...
07-07-2008 10:04 PM
 
 
Stu.
Veteran
Location: Abrakebabra Kebab shop

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Synergy is a Quality machine beefier parts
700 is a Quantity machine mass produced parts.

I think i nearly pissed myself there



Check those out. Stevie Wonders dog could machine better

Stu

www.waterfoothelis.com
07-07-2008 11:43 PM
 
 
pariah
Senior Heliman
Location: West Valley City, UT - United States of America

Out of curiosity, Stu, what is the age of those photos?

I ask because the N9 I just built was perfect in every way; I ordered my kit in the beginning of June '08.

As far as I know, the QC problems the Synergy had at first have since been resolved.


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Helicopters & Women: The last thing I want is one whose head has a few loose screws.
07-08-2008 02:28 AM
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dsmit258
Senior Heliman
Location: Knoxville, TN

I'll second that pariah, the kit I built recently was 4 months old, and not a single problem with it.

David E. Smith
President, ETMHS
AMA 579111
IRCHA 2336
07-08-2008 03:47 AM
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Aox
Senior Heliman
Location: Laguna Beach, CA

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If parts availability is any indication, I just might. Not that parts supply is an issue with the Synergy on the Internet. But I can go to at least 4 local hobby shops around my area, and I bet all of them will carry parts for the 700.

I can get 0 parts from them for the Synergy.


Whereabouts in SoCal are you, Unruly? Gyro hobbies in Lake Forest carries Synergy parts and kits. I'm fortunate to live about a half a mile from them hehe.

-Aox
07-08-2008 03:53 AM
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

both my kits were early ones. 1st batch and maybe about the 6th batch respectively......not a single good part on no1 and only slight improvement on no6. i'm glad they have sorted it out though, it was a major problem.

little update, trex 700 with a heavier battery and a carbsmart is JUST under 10lb's now, it's so close you could call it 10lbs.

i would guess there is about 400-500g of a difference airframe-airframe. i wasn't taking my synergy apart to find that out. the stuff in both helis is very similar to it's close enough for a reading.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-08-2008 07:51 AM
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RBOSCO
Senior Heliman
Location: MOBILE, Al . US

My opinoin

Simple answer...

700= Align junk (mass produced for the unknowing)
Synergy= Quality and outstanding performance,

Result....No contest...weight difference matters not!

Bling don't make it Sing!
07-11-2008 10:42 PM
 
 
JAGNZ
rrProfessor
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Hmmm, there are an awful lot of very good pilots that fly Align 'Junk'. I'm not sure they'd agree with you...

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, T700N, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz
07-11-2008 11:43 PM
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HiroboFreak
Senior Heliman
Location: Central Coast, NSW, Australia

Horses for courses.

I swear by my N9 but I'd consider a T700 as a 90-sized basher for sure.
Not yet though. I'm sure there'll be some problems to iron out.
I'm not willing to risk my N9 as much as I would the T700.

My T600n is a good basher for the time being, but a 90 that I'm willing to use as a plough would be great!!

Synergy N9 | T600n Pro
07-11-2008 11:48 PM
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Tim Jones
New Heliman
Location: Simi Valley, CA

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My opinoin

Simple answer...

700= Align junk (mass produced for the unknowing)
Synergy= Quality and outstanding performance,

Result....No contest...weight difference matters not!

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I must ask...Have you actually built and flown both? Judging by your comments, my guess would be no.

Timing is Everything
07-12-2008 03:14 AM
 
 
airboss
Elite Veteran
Location: OC ,california

Hmmmm, I have flown them both and the 700 along with the aurora all the same weekend.side by side the weight isnt an issue unless you want to do big high speed patterns, the extra weight carries more energy , N9s are very fast helis and fly almost as good as the aurora. but if your a banger the 700 will rock.

OCRM....flyBlackstarr.org.
07-12-2008 04:20 AM
 
 
raptorheli2
Elite Veteran
Location: rip off britain and no changing it

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My opinoin

Simple answer...

700= Align junk (mass produced for the unknowing)
Synergy= Quality and outstanding performance,

Result....No contest...weight difference matters not!

i own 2 synergys and i just purchased the 700n. i have only had 5 flights with the 700 but let me tell you...the weight DOES make a difference wether you like it or not and as for the synergy being "quality".....mines has needed nothing in 2 years of flying other than dampers and i'm fairly sure the 700 will need a new swash just like the rest. imo the 700 was better quality than my original synergys. i don't know about the new ones but please stop cheerleading the synergy without actually owning both.

99% of people will be happy with either heli.

cheers


www.waterfoothelis.com
07-12-2008 10:28 AM
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