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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Need help with Helicommand setup

bqn109com
Heliman
Location: Westminster, CA

Hi,

I just bought Helicommand, kind of need help with the setup.
Is their any Helicommand user living in Orange County CA, that can help me?
I’m going to put it in my Agusta 109A w/Rappy 90 picture in my gallery. I’ve read the manual but just want to confirm with someone that know the system. I don’t want to crash my new baby…

 Bert

07-01-2008 11:59 PM

fergus
Veteran
Location: Ireland

There are some good threads in the Aerial Photography section you should have a look at

Regards

Fergus

07-02-2008 12:17 AM

bqn109com
Heliman
Location: Westminster, CA

thank you

07-02-2008 05:16 AM

TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Bert,

Which version of helicommand (3a,3d,rigid, profli) do you have and are you going to fly this flybarless? Also, have you flown this heli before with a flybar?

Cheers,

TomC

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS

07-02-2008 10:34 AM

bqn109com
Heliman
Location: Westminster, CA

I have the Rigid model. For now I'm going to fly it with the flybar, once the system is proven than I'll change it to 4 bladed head setup. Yes I flew the Heli before.

I kind of want the 1-2-3 basic on hooking up and setup.

Thank you,
Bert

07-02-2008 03:25 PM

DenisS
Key Veteran
Location: Essex, UK

I assume you got the PC software and lead when you bought the Rigid? It will be necessary when you set up the flybarless but not for basic set up. Make sure the model is trimmed, with a Raptor you will already be using a single servo swash mode. Plug the servos from your heli into the Helicommand , then the leads into your receiver as per the instructions. Do the initial set up using the push button on the Helicommand. It is very important to teach the HC (Helicommand) the directions your sticks move for each control, if you get these wrong then the rest of the set up can be wrong too. Follow the intructions and use the factory default settings for rates etc . Be DOUBLY sure that the orientation of the unit is registered correctly otherwise the HC will cause a crash. Once set up is complete and the green (or yellow) LED is on, then if you lift the helicopter up by hand and rock the tail down, the swash should tilt forward, if you rock the helicopter to the left, the swash must tilt right. DO this before you try to fly the model and make sure it is right otherwise the heli may be uncontrollable. I found the factory settings to be fine for initila flights, but I will be putting a three blade head on the Freya this weekend and setting up the Rigid mode. If you take your time and try to understand each instruction completely before moving on then you will have no problems. What Tx are you using?
Denis

Crash 'n Lurn

07-02-2008 04:15 PM

bqn109com
Heliman
Location: Westminster, CA

Thank you for your input.

Yes I have the PC software/cable. I'm using JR 9303 2.4g.

I think I should try putting the system in my Trex600e (pod & boom)first. And try to understand the system..

Thank again.

Bert

07-02-2008 05:41 PM

DenisS
Key Veteran
Location: Essex, UK

Same radio as me, I got it set up using a 7 channel 2.4 receiver, using the built in gyro and the pilot control mode. If you have any specific problems or questions you can pm me, or contact Helicommand direct as Joachim is very helpful. I'll update my three blade trials when I'm done. You will like it...
Denis
If your Trex is 3 servo eCCPM then you will have to set the swash mode to 1 servo in the system menu as the HC does all the swash mixing types itself. Unfortunately this usually wipes your settings that you spent so long doing so I suggest you copy the model to a spare memory and do any changes to the copied memory, that way when you change back you won't have to start again. Make a note of end points, pitch curves etc so that you can write them back in after you set the swash mode, just in case

Crash 'n Lurn

07-02-2008 06:02 PM

TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Bert,

That's exactly what I did. Started with it on my Trex600e with a flybar, then without to learn the HC system. Only then did I move it to my much more expensive Ion-x.

Good idea about a separate model memory Dennis. I did this as well.

Cheers,
TomC

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS

07-02-2008 06:03 PM

bqn109com
Heliman
Location: Westminster, CA

Too late, I've change the swash setting in my radio last night.
I'll try to change it back and copy the model insted...

07-02-2008 06:32 PM

Red-Rx7
Senior Heliman
Location: Olathe, KS - USA

I would recommend you do the following:

1) Setup the HeliCommand according to the manual and to this video:

HeliCommand Video Setup

2) After your setup here, use the HeliCommand software to make your adjustments accordingly.

The reason why I recommend this setup approach is that I went straight through the software on mine and had a few issues. Specifically, the Pitch / Aileron were backwards yet it was setup according to the manual. Through the software I got the helicopter to fly correctly in the "off" or "red" mode, but any attempt to use the HeliCommand would have been fatal.

Going through this setup technique you can validate that your wiring controls, swash plate, etc .. are setup correctly.

I only went through the first few steps of this video (never hooked my tail up through it); just to set the swash movements, pitch and aileron. I then used the software to set the rotor direction (left for me), HC orientation, etc.

Good luck.

Mike

07-02-2008 08:36 PM

DenisS
Key Veteran
Location: Essex, UK

That's good advice, Mike. Sometimes what people forget to do is write the new settings to the Helicommand after they've made changes. If the settings in the Helicommand don't match the settings on screen then the 'equals' sign (=) on the first page turns red with a line through it. Once you write the settings to the HC then it turns green again to say they are synced. It's a good idea to save any changes to file and name them to suit. It may be possible to share these files for similar models. I may try one in my 4 blade Puma and my 4 blade BK117, which both fly well without any electronic gadgets so should be perfect with them.
Denis

Crash 'n Lurn

07-02-2008 08:50 PM

bqn109com
Heliman
Location: Westminster, CA

Thank you very much guy. That exactly what I need.

So, should I use my 401 gyro or the Helicommand internal gyro?
Can I instll the unit to more than one heli if I buy the additional RC Module and only move the main unit around?
Can I save multiple setup file for diffence heli?

Thank,
Bert

07-03-2008 09:03 AM

DenisS
Key Veteran
Location: Essex, UK

Hi Bert
I would use the internal gyro as it works well and can be tuned through the software more than the 401 can. You can buy the RC module as you say and just change the unit over, but I don't know what the costs are to do that. You can save multiple model set up files, name them then load them back to the Helicommand when you change models.
I have saved various files and named then according to the changes I made so that if I get a better setting I can load it, if I forget what I've changed I can revert back to a saved file. You may need to get the extension lead for the unit if you are going to change it around, this has a ferrite ring fitted and is available from Helicommand now.
Denis

Crash 'n Lurn

07-03-2008 09:51 AM

grayone
New Heliman
Location: North East England

Can anyone help with some screen shots of their setup for the HC Rigid - I am having trouble with mine as it is behaving rather badly and I have no idea of which of the many setting could be out.

The idea is to wrap this into a 500 scale body

Graham

07-25-2008 09:07 AM

TomC
Veteran
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

Graham,

PM me your E-mail address and I'll send you my latest Trex600e settings (HC file).

Cheers,
Tom C

CX2 2s
Logo10- 3D 5s
Trex600 10s
2x Ion-x, 1x15s DS, 1x15s SS

07-25-2008 10:52 AM

DenisS
Key Veteran
Location: Essex, UK

You can just load the factory settings and start from scratch. Just flown a couple of tanks thru a Freya 90 with three blade head. Didn't mess with any settings and it flies great. What are your symptoms as if you get something like the orientation wrong then it is like flying with a gyro reversed. Phasing is important too. It must fly properly before you mount the HC to prove that everything else is OK, then with correct set-up it will fly just like a flybar model, even auto's which multi's don't like much normally.
Denis

Crash 'n Lurn

07-25-2008 08:38 PM

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