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e-Electric Motors & Controllers > NEW CC PHOENIX SOFTWARE IS OUT!
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

http://www.castlecreations.com/down...a_software.html

Here are the new features!

PHOENIX, PHOENIX ICE, PHOENIX HV, PHOENIX SHV COMPACT


New Throttle Settings Page
Click to enlargeHelicopter Function Expansion - additional modes added:

Simple Governor Mode
Select this mode and the Phoenix controller will maintain head speed at an RPM corresponding to your RADIO throttle percentage. This mode should be very similar to the mode offered by Kontronik.

Advance throttle to the desired head speed and allow head speed to stabilize for 1.5 seconds. The controller will lock at that speed and the LED will flash rapidly indicating that governor is operating and locked.

Once locked, changes to the throttle input will change the head speed accordingly. The controller will increase throttle in response to higher throttle commands based on a new setting, ‘Head Speed Change Rate’. The default values for these settings should work well for most users.


Set RPM
Select this mode and enter the desired head speeds that you wish the controller to maintain. Once the motor poles, KV, spur gear tooth count, main gear tooth count, and nominal battery volts are entered via Castle Link, the controller will maintain the numerically entered head speed. The controller can be preset for three distinct head speeds; these are commanded by your TX/RX in flight by a throttle command in the specified range for each speed.

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If you don’t know your motor’s pole count, please contact the motor manufacturer. We don’t know the count!

If you don’t want to do that, or don’t speak Chinese, there is a new throttle diagnostic mode called the 20K Test that will spin your motor to 20,000 ELECTRICAL RPM. Tach the resulting head speed, reconnect the controller to the Castle Link software, set the controller to the SET RPM throttle mode, and enter the head speed that resulted from the 20K test. The software can then calculate your number of magnetic poles.

DO NOT ATTEMPT TO FLY YOUR HELI IN THIS DIAGNOSTIC MODE! Perform this test with the blades removed and observe all possible safety precautions. The controller will follow the usual Castle arming requirements but it will only run the motor at 20,000 electrical RPM or zero rpm based on your throttle input.

The motor will spin to 20,000 electrical rpm. The actual motor shaft RPM will be 20,000 times 2 divided by the number of poles in your motor. The resulting head speed will be the motor shaft RPM divided by the gearing on your heli. The actual head speed that results may be rather slow. This is OK, just take a good tach reading of this speed.


Improved Gain Performance
Gain algorithms have been modified to perform better across the wide range of applications that the controllers see in service. Setting values now range from 1-32. We suggest starting with the default setting. If your tail wags slowly, your gain is likely too low. Rapid wagging is a sign that your gain is set too high.


Head Speed Change Rate
This is a new setting. Users may set the rate at which the controller responds to throttle changes during flight. This setting controls the throttle advancement AFTER the initial spool up is complete. This setting is a compliment to the Initial Spool Up Rate. Head Speed Change Rate controls the rate of change AFTER the head has reached the governed head speed.


Initial Spool Up Rate
This setting controls the rate of throttle advance on the initial spool up of the heli. It is also triggered whenever the throttle is decreased below 1.0 ms. Once the head speed reaches the target head speed for governed modes, Head Speed Change Rate controls the rate of change allowed when the throttle is advanced from the transmitter.


Autorotate Enabled
This version of firmware adds a new feature for helicopter pilots called ‘Auto Rotate Mode’. This mode adds a small window above zero throttle (1.0ms to 1.1ms) in which the motor is no longer being powered, but an increase in throttle, such as bailing out of an autorotation, will use the ‘Head Speed Change Rate’ to get back to the governed speed instead of the ‘Initial Spool-Up Rate’. This will allow a gentle initial spool-up AND a very fast recovery from an auto-rotation maneuver. Any throttle below 1.0ms will be treated as total throttle-off, and all throttle increases from this zero throttle position will use the ‘Initial Spool-Up Rate’.

UNCHECKED - Auto-Rotate mode is disabled, and throttle below 1.1ms will be treated as full-off.

CHECKED - Auto-Rotate mode is enabled, turning on the window just above zero throttle for auto-rotations.


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-28-2008 02:56 AM
 
 
jphilli
Senior Heliman
Location: Marietta, Ga.

Nice find! Can't wait to try it out.
06-28-2008 03:01 AM
 
 
cgbole
Veteran
Location: tulsa ok

All right! been waitin on this...
chuck

Magnito Chuck...
06-28-2008 05:03 AM
 
 
T-Rex-Flyer
Key Veteran
Location: Panama City, Fl

Looks like a major upgrade to the software,
Thanks for the update.

If the wings are traveling faster than the fuselage, it's probably a helicopter.
06-28-2008 02:02 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

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Autorotate Enabled
This version of firmware adds a new feature for helicopter pilots called ‘Auto Rotate Mode’

great addition taking it away from throtle hold programming.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-28-2008 02:59 PM
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MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Was out trying it on my 12s machine, not very good results, really crappy infact.

Startup & RPM Change was perfect, but governor was terrible, have asked CC gonna see what they say.


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-28-2008 03:06 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

^ whats your set up other than 12S and a logo?

using defaults?

feed us more info plz.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-28-2008 03:20 PM
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MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

E-Stratus, 12s1p setup, Neu 1915/1.5Y H

"Set RPM" of 1700, 1850, 1940

Startup: Perfekt.
Change of HS: Perfekt.
Power of motor: Perfekt.
Governor: Really really crappy.

Low gov gain and it wouldnt hold HS at all, probably over-revving and dropping HS several hundred RPM's.
Medium gain I got oscilliation in plain hover (forth and back perhaps 1 time per second), still wouldnt hold RPM during hard transitions.
Tried high gain, same oscilliation just faster.

Gonna see what they say, and put my PJ back on meanwhile.
I guess I have to drag my nitro to the field when I need to practice autos for a while more.


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-28-2008 03:26 PM
 
 
Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

thnks for sharing...

How did the second to last release work for you? worst, same or better?

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-28-2008 03:32 PM
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MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

I gave up CC a long time ago, havent tried the last few firmwares.
Was interested in this new one since it had auto-rotation abort capabilites.

Might try the CC in fixed throttle with a ATG v3 though, when I feel I have too much time on my hand.


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-28-2008 03:36 PM
 
 
Heli 770
Elite Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

MrMel
Thanks for the info.
ps. Whats happening to the Aurora conversion, is it done?
06-28-2008 03:49 PM
 
 
hpilotrc
Veteran
Location: NY--->>Mooresville, NC USA 8/2005

After years....still no decent governor mode???

When I first bought an Align T-Rex many years ago I chose a CC Phoenix 25 ESC. In governor mode it was terrible....but I liked the Castle Link and figured they would get governor mode right....even if they had to ask Kontronik to do the code for them

I ended up selling it on EBAY and bought a Kontronik Jazz 40-6-18 which has been flawless for years now. I never even have to change the mode and it has been set since day 1. Yes the Jazz is about double the price but it works!

I think when I try a small ducted fan Jet I will now still stay away from Castle and buy a Jeti Advance ESC.

Michael
06-28-2008 04:18 PM
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Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

have two P-45 and one P-80 and use Berg7...no complaints.

havent tried latest release.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-28-2008 04:24 PM
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MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

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ps. Whats happening to the Aurora conversion, is it done?

Yup, its done and flying good (after some replacement parts due to locked up swash), just havent got around to shoot some videos lately.


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-28-2008 04:27 PM
 
 
Heli 770
Elite Veteran
Location: Lemon Grove, Ca. USA.

MrMel
Thanks, Can't wait for the vids!
06-28-2008 04:31 PM
 
 
Gary Jenkins
Elite Veteran
Location: Wilmington, DE

Thanks for the heads up.
06-28-2008 09:20 PM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Worked fine for a friend of mine with 10s setup and a outrunner motor, so it will work for many I suspect, just not me..


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-28-2008 09:21 PM
 
 
P.J.
Veteran
Location: Ireland

MrMel,


I've got the Scorpion 130amp 12s on the way, after reading its spec's I'm looking forward to tryng it.

PJ

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06-28-2008 09:38 PM
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pjpg
Heliman
Location: Georgia

I used the set your rpm mode today and it worked great in my Logo 500. I had tail wag with high gain but with low gain all was well. checked rpm with my E logger and rpm was very close to my set rpm and held well throughout flight. nice touch including a setting for using A123 batteries
06-28-2008 10:25 PM
 
 
MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

I tried all settings with the CC, nothing helped.

Here is how it looks like, visible when I switch to Idle-Up 2 (1850 RPM), 24MB HD/5.1
http://heli.dacsa.net/cc/cctest2.wmv


I put my PowerJazz back on, perfect RPM again, CC going to the shelf for now, might try it on my 10s logo later.


Team Autopartner - Team pilot
06-29-2008 02:35 PM
 
 
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