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PilotCK
Veteran
Location: Maple Valley, WA

Anyone hear about this one yet? Release dates so forth. I hear it's able to handle up to 10v and be a bit smaller then the Arizona.

Thoughts? Pictures?

~Team Collective Mayhem
06-25-2008 05:50 PM
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squid1
Veteran
Location: Cubbington, Warwickshire, United Kingdom

Not much info available:

http://www.realraptors.co.uk/shop/i...ews&news_id=318
06-25-2008 06:03 PM
 
 
andyp
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

Subject: Unclassified - Fromeco Kiwi Regulator

Let me tell you a bit more about the Kiwi -

Perhaps the perfect regulator for modern helicopter flight systems.

You have a 2.4g Rx and high voltage usable (HV) servos (eg JR8717's):
The Kiwi regulator will provide raw battery voltage to the receiver and associated servos (typically three cyclic servos) and a regulated 5V supply for up to four other outputs (typically tail rotor and throttle). Because the receiver receives voltage directly from the battery, a low voltage brown out state is very unlikely, and no possibility of a reset due to the regulator. And it has a fail safe switch built in!
Use A123 type packs (eg the Fromeco 1200mA Iron Corps) for a 'kinder' voltage to your HV servos. Or use a LiIon or LiPo pack for even faster servo speeds and torque.

Hey, what is I am still on 72MHz (and so my receiver can only handle 6V max)?
Unlike any other product, the Kiwi can be installed to provide a 5V regulated supply to the receiver (along with tail rotor and throttle) and allow unregulated voltage to be passed to up to four other servos (typically the three cyclic servos). And yes, you can still use the built in failsafe switch!
Again, use A123 type cells for a 'kinder' voltage to the 8717's.

What if I fly on 2.4g or 72MHz and don't yet have HV servos?
The Fromeco Arizona is still the regulator of choice (giving up to 6V regulated to the receiver and servos, except tail rotor which receives a 5V regulated supply).

So, in summary, the Kiwi regulator has a built in failsafe switch and if you are running HV servos will work with 72MHZ today (5V Rx supply) and 2.4g tomorrow (unregulated battery voltage supply to the Rx).
Use A123 type cells to prolong cyclic servo life, or Li Ion/LiPo for blistering performance.

My recommendations:
1200mA A123 type cells (Iron Corps) in a 50. Use JR8717 cyclic servos. Typically 2-3 flights between charges, and charge in 15 min.
On a 90, use either the 2400mA-h IronCorps phosphate cells, or 2300mA-h IronCorps Extreme (with A123-brand phosphate cells) and charge every 3-4 flights.

IronCorps Extreme is capable of delivering big currents with little voltage drop, and can be charged in 15 minutes from flat. Their nominal voltage is 6.6V, which is much safer for the JR8717's than an unregulated LiPo pack.

Andrew

QuickUK Flight Team
Fromeco Regulators and Batteries
06-26-2008 12:16 AM
 
 
PilotCK
Veteran
Location: Maple Valley, WA

Andrew, thank you for the great write up. I currenlty am running a Arizona in my 50 and have a spare one that I am thinking of putting in my N700.

I am thinking that a Arizona would be sufficent to run up to 6v; however if I decide to run more then that the Kiwi would be ideal..

So if I read correclty what squid posted am I able to run a 5200 mah pack at 11.1 Volts to the reg?

~Team Collective Mayhem
06-26-2008 03:10 PM
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squid1
Veteran
Location: Cubbington, Warwickshire, United Kingdom

The RealRaptors site indicate 2 Cell operation only, no mention of 3 cell
06-26-2008 03:58 PM
 
 
andyp
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

It is for 2S operation only.

So use either 2S A123 type packs (eg the Fromeco 1200mA Iron Corps) for a 'kinder' voltage to your HV servos to prolong cyclic servo life, or use 2S LiIon/LiPo Packs for blistering performance.

The Iron Corps (A123 type cells) have a nominal voltage of 6.6V for a 2S pack (fully charged 7.2-7.5V), and the LiIon/LiPo packs have a nominal voltage of 7.4V (fully charged 8.4V) for a 2S pack.

I really like the Iron Corps packs - they give a voltage I feel happy running the JR8717's at, and fast charge in 15 min from flat.

Andrew

QuickUK Flight Team
Fromeco Regulators and Batteries
06-26-2008 07:34 PM
 
 
RyanW
Veteran
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma

Ditto on the comments Andrew made. We have been using these for a while now and I have used the Iron Corp 2400 pack in my 90 size machines.

I love the fact the Iron Corp and A123 packs have a discharge of constant voltage, so it is like having a regulator on the cyclic servos as well.

Good stuff guys!

-Ryan
06-27-2008 10:32 PM
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petmotel
Veteran
Location: DeKalb, IL.

Great posts there andyp! Couldn't agree more.

I use the lithium phosphate batteries with a deans ultra connector for a switch, and a small Radio South reg for the tail, but I like hearing there is a complete solution now from Fromeco.

Jay
06-28-2008 09:19 PM
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Nate735
Senior Heliman
Location: New Jersey

When will this be available for sale in the USA ?
07-01-2008 07:01 PM
 
 
Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

Arizona 6-8V

For some weeks ago a 6-8 volt Arizona was available at Realraptors.
Now it's gone.
Think it was replaced by the Kiwi.

ChopperKnud

ChopperKnud - Knud Pedersen
Miniature Aircraft USA, CSM
www.ThePitchbrothers.com
07-01-2008 08:06 PM
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Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

ups, i just ordered a recieved two Fromeco KIWI regulators.
I have uninstall a Fromeco Arizona on one of my Stratusses, and installed the KIWI regulator.

DAD ASS regulator, thoese 8717 can now crack so much, that I allmost can boomstrike the heli with the paddle

The KIWI regulator is smaller then the Arizona.
And it's simpler to install, and the wire routing looks more nice.

And it has s Failswitch ON function, so know you don't have to use the normale on/off switch.


Fromeco Arizona Regulator (running on 6V)


Fromeco KIWI regulator, running the cyclic servos on 8V and the reciever and all other stuff on 5V.
Perceft for my Futaba FASST 6014 reciever.


Here is the manual.

I will shot some Photos with the Arizona and the KIWI regulator, so that you can see the size difference...

ChopperKnud

ChopperKnud - Knud Pedersen
Miniature Aircraft USA, CSM
www.ThePitchbrothers.com
07-07-2008 04:41 PM
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Axeman
Senior Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Here's the manual in full:

http://www.fromeco.org/PDFDocs/Kiwi...resentation.pdf

Cheers from a Kiwi!!
07-08-2008 01:07 AM
 
 
Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

Charging

How do I charge muy battery, without diconnecting the deans?
My new Fromeco Relion battery does only have one Dean uotput connector.

Can i charge trough the KIWI?


Here is some pictures of the Arizona and the KIWI.


ChopperKnud



ChopperKnud - Knud Pedersen
Miniature Aircraft USA, CSM
www.ThePitchbrothers.com
07-08-2008 01:20 PM
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helirulz
Senior Heliman
Location: Singapore

why would you not want to charge it thru the deans?
07-08-2008 01:54 PM
 
 
Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

Charging

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why would you not want to charge it thru the deans?
Because I have secured the deans connector togehter, so that i dont loose power in the air.(have tried that before)
And it's like the deans get looser, every time they are disconnected

ChopperKnud

ChopperKnud - Knud Pedersen
Miniature Aircraft USA, CSM
www.ThePitchbrothers.com
07-08-2008 02:00 PM
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Knud Pedersen
Veteran
Location: Denmark - Europa

What is the connections under the "Pin flag connectors for on the KIWI?
Charging?



ChopperKnud

ChopperKnud - Knud Pedersen
Miniature Aircraft USA, CSM
www.ThePitchbrothers.com
07-08-2008 05:42 PM
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andyp
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

There is no charging provision with the Kiwi. Your options are:
1. Disconnect the Deans and charge there
2. Order batteries with both Deans and a charge lead

I order my Fromeco Iron Corps packs with HD Deans + CellPro charge lead. That way you can charge using the cellpro charger, which balances also.

Over the last few months since using the Kiwi I have become accustomed to just changing packs and charging out of the model.

Andrew

QuickUK Flight Team
Fromeco Regulators and Batteries
07-09-2008 08:24 AM
 
 
Giggen
Heliman
Location: Norway

How many amps does the Kiwi reg put out? I cant find info about that anywhere.
07-12-2008 08:32 AM
 
 
andyp
Senior Heliman
Location: New Zealand

The battery voltage pass throughs are good for as many amps as the connectors allow (so 4 x leads at 2-3 amps each = 8-12 amps in round figures).

The regulator side (5V) is good for 8.86 watts with no forced cooling. So a worst case scenario of a fully charged 2S LiPo and no air flow = 3 amps. If you are using 2S A123 type cells, it will be good for closer to 6 amps (assuming a delta V of 3V for the LiPo and 1.5V for the A123 type pack).

Given that the 5V side is for throttle/gov + rudder/gyro +/- receiver, 3-6 amps sounds like plenty! And my data gathering confirms this, no problems.

Andrew

QuickUK Flight Team
Fromeco Regulators and Batteries
07-12-2008 10:23 AM
 
 
Giggen
Heliman
Location: Norway

Sounds great Thanks for good info about this.
07-12-2008 02:36 PM
 
 
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