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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > Coleman Fuel
 
 
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Heliman
Location: Camrose, AB

I was wondering why some people use camping fuel instead of gasoline in their gassers. Is it for reasons of smell? or does it run better? why do people use it?
06-24-2008 11:46 PM
 
 
ccm15
Senior Heliman
Location: Lake Ariel, PA

Most people like that it does not have odor like gas. It also burns very clean and does not spoil like gas. I personally like regular unleaded 87 octane. Both seem to work fine.

One mile of road will take you one mile. One mile of runway will take you anywhere in the world.
06-24-2008 11:59 PM
 
 
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Heliman
Location: Camrose, AB

i think i can get coleman fuel for 12$ CAD per gal, which isnt bad at all. if there is no odor, maybe i might look at using it instead. Is there any downsides other than price and possibly availability?

Also, can i switch back and forth freely between the two, or once i start with one, am i forced to stick with it?
06-25-2008 12:17 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

You can go back and forth, no problem. There is a slight difference in tuning, but other than that, no problem to swap back and forth.


Nick Crego
I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans
06-25-2008 01:52 AM
 
 
RappyTappy
Elite Veteran
Location: Las Vegas, NV

I would use it just for the fact of no fumes, gas fumes make me nauseous in a matter of minutes.

Chris
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06-25-2008 01:56 AM
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Heliman
Location: Camrose, AB

my parents would be pretty choked if i had my gas-smelling heli sitting in their basement. the cost is worth it to not have the fumes. especially if i can go back to gas whenever i want.
06-25-2008 02:25 AM
 
 
motoxxx996
Heliman
Location: fillmore california u.s.a.

I like it for the reason that it doesn't stink everything up too. I have been running it for two years no problem at all. If I have to put the heli in the cab of my truck to run in the store or something I don't get a headache when I get back in.
07-01-2008 06:29 PM
 
 
MidStar40
Senior Heliman
Location: Sioux Falls, SD

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There is a slight difference in tuning, but other than that, no problem to swap back and forth.

Is it OK to break an engine in with Coleman fuel? The slight tuning diff...does it need to be richer? I just started to break in a Predator (w/231) tonight. I mixed 4.5oz of Zenoah Oil with 1 gal of Coleman fuel. Needles are still at the factory setting and after 4-5 minutes, it seemed like it was lean and getting hot. It quit and then was hard to start until I waited 15 minutes then it fired right up again.

Don't mean to detour the thread, sorry.

First gasser,

Rod
07-02-2008 05:33 AM
 
 
Billme
Key Veteran
Location: MS

No such thing as factory settings...Put your low at 13/8s, and the high at 11/2 to start, you shouldn't have to change the needles no more than 1/8 th of turn to get it smooth...
Yes its ok to breakin the engine on Camper fuel..
Bill
07-02-2008 06:29 AM
 
 
SeaHawk
Heliman
Location: Ft. Lauderdale , Florida

[quote].Put your low at 13/8s, and the high at 11/2 to starr

please clarify meaning of 13/8s and 11/2 ...
is that 13 turns 8 clicks amd 11 turns two clicks ???

Allan "Seahawk"
Flying low and slow
07-02-2008 06:54 AM
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TVAILLANCOURT
Senior Heliman
Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada

1 turn out from closed then 3/8th of a turn more on the low. 1 turn out from closed then another 1/2 turn more on the low end to start.
07-02-2008 07:00 AM
 
 
MidStar40
Senior Heliman
Location: Sioux Falls, SD

Adjusted needles - runs great now - love that Coleman smell! My wife lets me bring it back into the house to work on it too.

Rod
07-03-2008 03:23 AM
 
 
Forced_Inductio
Heliman
Location: Camrose, AB

the only thing im really leery about is that if i run it on camper fuel, all my warranty from BH Hanson is voided. ive already asked Al about that. Im not sure what im going to do yet.
07-03-2008 08:08 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Hanson doesn't like the camper fuel, Toxic Al has no problem with it. Looking at Hanson's stuff, it looks to me like he tried to make a list of ways to void the warranty whether those things actually would damage the engine or not.


Nick Crego
I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans
07-03-2008 02:29 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Camper fuel

The benefits that I see is lack of smell or maybe even a more pleasant smell when it evaporates in a hot car. If you're storing the heli in the house in the basement, there is no smell whether you use gas or coleman. I have 6 gassers stored in my basement and nobody smells any gas when they come over. The big problem is leaving the gas can in the trunk of the car along with the heli on a hot summer day and smelling up the car (like if you take the model with you to work to go flying afterwards on the way home). In that case coleman is your friend.

Otherwise coleman is 2x the cost of fuel and it does go bad if you leave it stored for a while. My friend had some go bad on him after a years time, even the unopened cans.

Coleman is like 55 octane compared to 87 gas. Currently I'm using 89 grade gas in mine, I read someone was saying they ran the smoothest on 89 (tried that and 91/93), so I'm giving it a whirl and it seems very good. I believe Hanson doesn't like coleman fuel as its more of a "detergent" and it leaves the engine with little oil inside it when he goes to work on them. I'm not entirely sure but whomever is interested in this can give him a call to inquire. I stick with gas as the engine was designed to run on that stuff and I have no issues with smells in my house. For transportation, I have a pickup truck so smelling up the car is not an issue for me.

-=>Raja.

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07-03-2008 02:58 PM
 
 
Forced_Inductio
Heliman
Location: Camrose, AB

i talked with al about it via e-mail and thats how i found out. i never did ask him his reasoning though. i think im gonna run gas for the first little while just to make sure everything is ok.

but for the time being, my 3D MAX G260 just arrived, so im gonna put this baby in!
07-03-2008 05:31 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

I'd say

Start with gas. If it gets to be a problem with smells, switch to coleman. Whatever can you use make sure its airtight and so are your fittings. In other words it should "inflate" in the sun and deflate (collapse) in the cold weather (and stay that way until the outside temp changes). If it doesn't then its leaking the fumes and will be contributing to the smell.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
07-03-2008 05:47 PM
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

One thing I've been doing to minimize the fumes/smell is to purge the fuel out of the carb before putting it away.

Does anyone pull the engine through after doing this to clear any residual fuel from the engine/carb? Say 3-4 pulls after the last kick of the engine? I do this with my glow engines and I think it helps them- no fuel in the engine to rust out the bearings. Not the same issue here but perhaps purging and running the engine try will help alleviate and fumes of the pump gas.

Once I have my gas airplane flying I might have to try the 50/50 mix of 100LL and Coleman. May be kind of expensive but the octane rating should be about the same as pump and it won't have the pump gas smell.

...yep...
07-04-2008 06:05 AM
 
 
flyingrhino
Senior Heliman
Location: Greenwood, IN - USA

Sorry, but I just don't get the use of Coleman fuel. I wouldn't run it in a $200 weedeater let alone a $2000 heli. The only reason I've heard to us it is the smell. That's the only positive, however, there are several reasons not to use it. If I were you I would ask the manufactures of the engine and or heli for advice on the use of Coleman fuel. Don't want to start a war that has been fought several times already but I don't want to see someone trash another engine on Coleman fuel either.
07-04-2008 02:10 PM
 
 
AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

I think there are too many people using camper fuel to say it will trash the engine.

Ace
What could be more fun?
07-04-2008 02:26 PM
 
 
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