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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > John Crotts taking pictures of Lightning while I am running for my life....
 
 
tkn0spdr
Heliman
Location: Indian Harbour Beach, FL USA

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AceBird said:
So John, tell us all what you instructed this newbie (who almost lost his life) about first start ups. I can’t wait to hear.
I started out with an open mind and respected everyone on this board's opinion; however, after seeing you try to start trouble unprovoked on many different threads that I've read over you're loosing credibility in this newbie's eyes.

There was no reason for you to make this comment, the rest of your post contained good info, but you belittled yourself with this little jab and the others in other threads I've seen.

Back on topic
I had a similar issue this past Sunday. I just got a new gasser too. This one required a minimum of 8 channels and I had a DX7 so I bought a new X9303 and replaced the Rx in it. I actually had no problems at all with the Mongoose, but I've got a Raptor .50 as well that I'm also using the radio with. I set up the radio to use the same settings and bound the Rx to the Tx and everything was fine.

There was just one thing I forgot to check before starting it up. Servo direction on the throttle. I started it up and it was wide open. Thankfully I always have a good grip on the rotor head when I start up. So although I was suprised, no harm was done. I just pinched the fuel line and the engine died in a few seconds. Lesson learned.

Thanks,
David
06-24-2008 01:39 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

David,, Congrats for the fast thinking, Yes,, always hold onto the head tight especially on the first start,, Your lucky,,, and quick thinking kept you out of a bind,, if you have a choke, use it next time, as it will kill it quicker,, or if using a velocity stack, just put your hand over the opening,, Both work great in a emergency!!! XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-24-2008 01:48 AM
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tkn0spdr
Heliman
Location: Indian Harbour Beach, FL USA

This was on my Raptor so no choke or stack, although I guess I could have pinched the muffler tip for a quicker engine death, but that's on the other side of the ship so it was easier to just grab the fuel line.

Thanks,
David
06-24-2008 01:53 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

Oh,, I thought you were talking about your gasser,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-24-2008 02:30 AM
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steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

Servo failure

The only ones who haven't experienced a servo failure are those who haven't flown enough. I'm old and I've got a box of dead servos in my garage. I'd be surprised if there aren't at least 20 of Futabas premium coreless servos in there. Most of them digitals. Servos are somewhat akin to light bulbs - you know they are going to fail, you just don't know when. Some will last 500 flights and a few will fail on the first startup. I've had two throttle servos fail in the last month alone. That said, I believe Hitec specifically recommended not using their 600 series servos on helis because of their sensitivity to vibration. Sorry. steve.
06-24-2008 04:06 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

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I believe Hitec specifically recommended not using their 600 series servos on helis because of their sensitivity to vibration

I just pulled this off the web site....
This was stated on all the 600 series servos that I checked.... Maybe I missed something,,, XGM/VGM

http://www.hitecrcd.com/product_file/file/26/hs625.pdf
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3.APPLICATIONS
AIRCRAFT TO 1/4 SCALE
30 TO 60 SIZE HELICOPTERS
STEERING AND THROTTLE FOR 1/10TH & 1/8TH ON-ROAD AND OFF-ROAD VEHICLES

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-24-2008 04:28 AM
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steve9534
Key Veteran
Location: yakima, wa.

John

That's interesting. I know I had a buddy who had one fail. When we checked there was a disclaimer that they weren't for heli use or something to that effect. That's been a number of years ago and sounds as if they've removed the heli restriction. The servo in question here just had a cold solder joint which could have happened with any brand or model of servo. Thanks for the update. steve.
06-24-2008 04:45 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

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The servo in question here just had a cold solder joint which could have happened with any brand or model of servo.


Your correct Steve, As there really isn't any way to check this,, I guess if a person went around and wiggled the wires where they come out of the servo on the heli to check for this, but How many times have you seen something like this happen?? In my 30+ years of flying, I think this makes about 3 or 4 time, that I have seen a NEW, out of the box servo do this,, very rare indeed.... XGM/VGM


Well after you said that it made me go and look,, I wanted to know, and after some digging, I did see where on there KB geared high performance servo,, they talk about the vibs, on the gas engine, but not on the anolog servos FYI,,, I have never really been a fan of the Hitec brand, but I do have some friends running them without any problems, and they are cheaper than say JR or Futaba, It's just a bad deal all the way around on this one,, It will be interesting to hear what Hitec has to say about this,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-24-2008 05:23 AM
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AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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I also have a hold of my nitro birds with my TX, as the size makes it very convienent to do so.

Nothing keeps you from doing the same thing with a gasser. Put one hand on the rotor, one foot on the skid and one knee on the ground. The ratio is placed next to the knee on the ground and the antenna is outside the rotor disc. Even if the radio has lost its link with the receiver as a last resort it can be used as a foo shield that can save you life. Make sure that radio is in your hand before you let go of the rotor and take your foot off the skid.

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There was no reason for you to make this comment, the rest of your post contained good info, but you belittled yourself with this little jab and the others in other threads I've seen.

Maybe not in your view but if you have been keeping count of the little jabs, animated characters, and verbal insults you would see who is on top of the list.

My reason for the jab is simple. Mr. Crotts has put himself on a pedestal as the number one guru for teaching newbies and doesn’t respect other opinions that differ from his. This newbie came so close to death it isn’t funny and he had previous nitro experience. Yet Mr. Crotts tries to ridicule my practices that are proven safe in the industrial world. I wish I could say I am sorry for the jab but I am not.

FYI: I use nothing but Hitec servos and feel they as good or better than the top name brands.
Equipment failures are very common in this hobby for many reasons. In the medical industry there are 0 tolerances for failures and yet failures still happen. You have to expect some failures in the hobby industry where there is no regulation at all.

Ace
What could be more fun?
06-24-2008 05:38 PM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

AceTurd

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My reason for the jab is simple. Mr. Crotts has put himself on a pedestal as the number one guru for teaching newbies and doesn’t respect other opinions that differ from his.


This is a bold face lie!!! I have no problem with other people opinions, and I learn something new almost every day, but,, When you post dangerous info or miss leading info in a topic, I will call you out every time,,, As many others here have too.. Your like the little kid in the store that is throwing a fit, cause your not getting your way!!! Almost all your post are worthless, nothing to add that is productive to the topic, in most cases,, There are more like me out there than you think, I'm not the only one that thinks your a (ONE GALLON EXPERT)!!! If anyone here has put them selfs on a pedestal it's YOU,, I have been trying to ignore you and your post, most of the time, but you have crossed the line with this post, and there are allot of people that read these fourms, and know what's what..

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Yet Mr. Crotts tries to ridicule my practices that are proven safe in the industrial

This is not the industrial world!! So what might be safe there doen't make it so here,,,,,


Mike and I talked for about 1/2 hour before he went out to start the heli, for the first time, And my last statement to him was to be sure and have a good grip on the head when he started it for the first time, We went over allot of info before he went out to start it,, Now, When it started and was at a idle, I would have taken my hand off, to reach for my radio, just like most here would do, Yes it's a bad thing that happened, but luckly he was not hurt, He did everthing just like I would have done, it's just one in a million mishaps that do happen, and there is nothing YOU or I could have done to prepaired him any better,, You have been in this hobby (helis) for just a couple of years, Maybe!!! I have been into this hobby for 30+ years all together, last 10 to 12 in Helis, and you think you know more than me?? I've forgoten more than you will ever know, And that's a fact Jack!!! Your just upset because I make you look silly, but it's not me makeing you look silly, it's YOU!!! Just so you will know,, A HELI is made to fly,, not be straped down,,, Well I'm out of here now,, Good luck AceTurd may the force be with you... XGM/VGM

Oh, I will continue to help as often as needed,,

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-24-2008 06:14 PM
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AceBird
Elite Veteran
Location: Utica, NY USA

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When it started and was at a idle, I would have taken my hand off, to reach for my radio, just like most here would do,

I could care less what you would do but if you don’t have the radio in one hand before you let go you can stumble reaching for the radio and knock it over. There are accidents that have happened, especially with newbies where the radio gets knocked over on its face, switches get flipped and sticks get buried. This is a far cry worse situation then having the throttle stick open, because the craft could come off the ground in any direction. That is what freak accidents are and there is always a way to limit your risks.

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This is not the industrial world!! So what might be safe there doen't make it so here,,,,,

Really? God you need help.

The hobby industry is an industry that pawns off accidents as bad luck. That’s the difference.

Ace
What could be more fun?
06-24-2008 09:17 PM
 
 
Wa11banger
Elite Veteran
Location: Huntsville, Al

Ive known John for a long time, he has always been helpful to anyone. Offers it up freely and so far in my experience hasn't been wrong yet. John and I have never met, we have only exchange a few emails and talked on the phone while troubleshooting some problems. I hope I can meet him in person some day. He has even gone out of his way to send us parts to borrow in an attempt for our business to get back in the air. Oh yah Ace he is a bad guy who doesnt want to help..

Now on the other hand, all I see is Ace here, stabbing at everyone who disagrees with him. There are so many armchair engineering posts that have his craptalk all over them because he disagrees with what even some that are experts say. Sorry Ace IMO you have zero credibility due to your childish overeactions and blatent outright attempts to start ****.

What, are you 4 years old?? STFU, get over yourself, and make some sort of attempt to be a positive participant. Instead of some childish butt hurt punk. Anyone who starts off with provoking comments like yours has a serious case of ass rash. I mean damn! Are you so childish that words typed can hurt your feelings to the point of no return. Grow up man! I cant beleive a male over the age of 5 can have his panties in a wad over what was typed on a forum. lol


John, I think I have offer up congrats to you for being able to do it. lol You proved that a grown man can still be a cry baby, you hurt Aces wittle feewlings.



Rick

Proud member of the Quick UK, Duralite Flight Systems, V-Blade, KBDD & Compass Model teams
06-24-2008 09:49 PM
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xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

Thanks Rick, for that vote of confidence!!!


AceTurd
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I could care less what you would do
OUCH!!!

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but if you don’t have the radio in one hand before you let go you can stumble reaching for the radio and knock it over.

Really How are you going to stumble if your down on one knee with your foot on the skids of the heli, and the radio laying beside you??? Hummmmmmm..... Your not suposed to be drinking any alcohol while flying helis,, they don't mix!!!
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There are accidents that have happened, especially with newbies where the radio gets knocked over on its face, switches get flipped and sticks get buried.

Must have happened to you If the radio is laying on it's back,, how is it going to fall over?? Hummmmmm.....

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The hobby industry is an industry that pawns off accidents as bad luck. That’s the difference.

Sorry you feel this way,,, What happened here to Mike was a accident that for the most part, Could not have been avoided!!! That is unless you can see into the future,,

As much as you worrie,, it's a wonder that you get out of your house at all... The sky is falling,,, the sky is falling,, Blah, Blah, Blah..

Well once again Ace, you have managed to take a post off topic,, Sorry Mike, that this has happened,, Hopefully we can all get back on track to the subject at hand,, My apology....

Looking forward to the rebuild,,,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-24-2008 10:40 PM
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Pistol_Pete
Elite Veteran
Location: Tampa Bay non-Buccaneer

as usual thanks for sharing Mike...nothing worst than a heli down even before its maiden.

I dont have a gasser "yet" but sure read lots of info in here for when the day comes.

<><>...the lunatic is in my head...<><>
06-24-2008 11:13 PM
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Red-Rx7
Senior Heliman
Location: Olathe, KS - USA

Its fixed!

Tomorrow I will put it back up in the air again.

For a few reasons, I changed a few things up! I have read a few people have had issues with Josef, but he won over my business. Between prompt shipping, guarantee on parts, excellent service, and a few other important tid-bits; at this point I would recommend his stuff.

First: Air Star International Tail driven conversion
Second: Metal Tail Blade Grips and Hub
Third: Metal Pitch Slider & Pitch Lever Sets
Fourth: Metal Main Blade Grip Set
Fifth: Carbon Fiber Fin Set
Sixth: 25mm Boom Size Upgrade
Seventh: Carbon 120 Tail Blades

And some pretty stuff:

Eighth: Orange Tailboom with Black Tail Boom Supports
Ninth: New canopy!

Pictures:



































I guess my plan at this point would be to idle 1/2 a tank and then start flying with the other?

Thanks,
Mike
06-28-2008 06:42 AM
 
 
pgkevet
Veteran
Location: surrey UK

Looking good!

...I'm hoping to maiden the spectra soon (if I can avoid any more suprises)..but my plan was to fire it up with less than a quarter tank first time out..or more specifically fill the tank to see if it leaks, prime etc then drain down to a 1/4 left or less..

pgk
06-28-2008 07:38 AM
 
 
tkn0spdr
Heliman
Location: Indian Harbour Beach, FL USA

Very nice. I really like my Mongoose too. Thankfully, I wasn't around when all the air star problems were happening so I can only go by what I've experienced myself.

It's great to hear that he's now selling a driven tail upgrade, I asked about it probably 2 weeks ago and he mentioned that they were testing one but weren't selling it yet. That's an upgrade I'll be buying!

Thanks,
David
06-28-2008 11:25 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

Mike,, That looks Awesome!!!! Man I want that canopy, that is so cool, looking,, I guess that I need to give Josef a call myself, I really like the belt drive system,, I cant wait to hear how things go this time,, What servo did you end up useing for the throttle?? Well Congrats for the quick fix, and getting it back together and even looking better than before,, Awesome!!!! XGM/VGM

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I guess my plan at this point would be to idle 1/2 a tank and then start flying with the other?

Sounds good,, just let it cool down completly between running the 1/2 tank, and flying the other half, you might do this twice,, Good Luck, and keep us informed on how things are going,, XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-28-2008 02:28 PM
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airpup
New Heliman
Location: New Brunswick, New Jersey

New gasser

I just bought a gas powered helo (Benzin trainer). I'm ready to go fly but I took a look at this photo and I'm trying to figure out what the little box with the blue wire comming out is for. I don't have one on mine.
06-30-2008 07:10 PM
 
 
tkn0spdr
Heliman
Location: Indian Harbour Beach, FL USA

It's a flight stabilization box, you likely wouldn't have one on yours unless you specifically asked for one.

Thanks,
David
06-30-2008 07:14 PM
 
 
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