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e-Align T-REX 450-500-600 > T-REX 600 600e or 600n ......??

firefox
Senior Heliman
Location: Thailand

As it is, people will tend to have their own views. It was my own view, and really, your arguments have their valid and invalid points, and people can argue all they want about the little intricacies.

Example: The starters that I typically see people using require 12V lead acid batteries. The same type required for battery chargers. So starter+glow driver+battery+fuel(+charger, if you want to fly more than 3 flights on that receiver pack) vs battery+charger+extra batteries. A starter is also not small by any means. People also tend to use their car battery when using chargers, so... unless you carry your car around on your back... Make sure throttle is low for electric? So you start your nitro while the throttle is *high*? Cycle stick to arm? Turn on, turn on? What electric are you talking about, anyways? Have you ever *flown* electric for any period of time? The list goes on and on. Like every us vs them argument, the "us's" tend to see the world as they want to see it, and turn blind when it comes to "them". I tried to be fair to both sides, but being fair is not good enough the "us's".

Yes, I probably shouldn't have included the governor thing (even though more and more people are considering it a "must have"

, but I did that as a test for people who are looking to nitpick. Well, the test worked.

Also, I'm a nitro guy. I fly a Titan, with an hyper. I sold my 450 a long time ago, so please don't assume that I'm electric.

And it's not like I haven't listed the cons of electric. The issue of fragile components was already addressed.

Man, being treated like an electric fanboy when I don't even fly electric... now that's ironic.

06-27-2008 08:11 AM

Sherman89
Heliman
Location: Morriston Fl

I went from Nitro to the big E and will not go back, at least for the forseeable future. After 30+ years of nitro, plug and play is the way for me. The biggest difference is the no oil slick to clean up and the no dirt, also the no tuning. Now if gas ever got close to the performance of electric or nitro then I may have to give that a go.

06-27-2008 11:10 AM

Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

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I went from Nitro to the big E and will not go back, at least for the forseeable future. After 30+ years of nitro, plug and play is the way for me. The biggest difference is the no oil slick to clean up and the no dirt, also the no tuning. Now if gas ever got close to the performance of electric or nitro then I may have to give that a go.

That’s exactly my experience. After years of nitro the EP helicopters are just so much more reliable. That big mess and all those clutch, start shaft, bearing problems, tuning, and blown plugs were a real pain.

Now that I have my 600E fixed up with a 8s Setup and a Kasama head I would not trade it for anything.

... BTS

06-27-2008 11:26 AM

Kuwaiti3Der
Heliman
Location: Kuwait

I have a hybrid

06-27-2008 12:20 PM

Magic Hook
Senior Heliman
Location: Naples, Florida USA

Ben T,

How do you like your Kasama Head? The pictures of it are awesome! Is it just bling (which is cool) or can you see a flight and durability improvment?

Hybrid?

06-27-2008 02:34 PM

Ben-T-Spindle
Elite Veteran
Location: Central Illinois

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Ben T, How do you like your Kasama Head? The pictures of it are awesome! Is it just bling (which is cool) or can you see a flight and durability improvment?

That’s one of the best upgraded you can make to a T600. It has higher cyclic rate, which takes a little more power if you fly hard. My 8s setup is perfect. I’m not sure if a 600N has enough power to really make it shine. I have heard from the nitro guys that the new Thunder Tiger Redline (I think it’s a 53) has a lot more power than the OS 50 Hyper so that might be a good match with the Kasama head.

If you want a conservative setup you could actually run lower headspeed (governor set to 2000) and have the same cyclic rate as the stock head. I ran that setup for a while and it adds another minute to the flight time.

It’s also much more durable that the Align design. The Kasama has a larger spindle, bearings, better dampers, and much better quality materials. If you crash hard you can still bend the spindle and linkage but that’s to be expected – don’t ask how I know that – LOL.

... BTS

06-27-2008 04:35 PM

centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

For me i have alot more invested in support equipment for the eletrics then the nitro's ,with eletrics in order to fly continous you need several betteries and chargers and power supplies and a generator for out at the feild.But it's worth it. I get twice the flying time with one fourth the hassle.plus if you fly alot like myself you save enough money flying eletric to more then make up for the extra cost of the support equipment.

06-28-2008 03:43 AM

Magic Hook
Senior Heliman
Location: Naples, Florida USA

I tend to agree about saving money if you fly a lot. My son in law has a Venture 30 with a OS 37. When we fly for a afternoon, his gallon is gone, and I fly twice as much on battery power. The up front cost sucks with electric though.

Well I now have a tracking number for a 600e. I hope it builds as well as a 500. I spent some money on the TT tail, and some metal parts for the stock head, and tail rotor. I am starting with the stock motor to set up for max sport flight time until my skills improve. I am researching a Maxamp battery, 6s, 6000 mah.

06-28-2008 01:50 PM

jpla010
Senior Heliman
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

.. JR venture 30 will get about 10 flights to the gallon, and with a .37 around 15 to 20 minutes a flight. You must have a lot of batteries to get 20 full 15 minute flights in one day, not to mention wicked brain stamina!!

I really love (and have) both, but restrict myself to 500 size electrics for now until I can afford the higher up front costs of the larger lipos. The problem I find with the electrics is that my collective management goes to custard because its easy to stick bang and not worry about bogging (for the first 4 minutes anyway

)

I'd like to try gas but at the rate gasoline prices are increasing here it will be more expensive then glow fuel soon

Jonathon

06-28-2008 05:28 PM

Magic Hook
Senior Heliman
Location: Naples, Florida USA

Holy cow you get long flights! His Venture gets ten minutes of basic flight per tank. Runs great, starts easy, never quits. I like it a lot, quality heli all the way. Stable, big, and not very much noise. His fuel goes pretty fast. Its new, maybe its running to rich? We have not counted the flights per gallon.

I can pretty much fly non stop with my 500 though. I have five packs, 9 minutes on three 3300 mah, 8.5 minutes on two 3000 mah. No 3d, stall turns, and other basic stuff. They take about 45 minutes to charge 100%. If I cut that to 95% its about 38 minutes on a TP 1010. I agree the up front cost of the Lipos is steep, but once over that hill, its a fun way to fly.

06-28-2008 09:26 PM

MMike
Elite Veteran
Location: Holland,Mi-USA

I fly my 450 and 500 electrics at home.

I fly my 600N at a near by park.

IMHO, I don't want to fuss with batteries, or pay for them, when it comes to something this size.

I hear the points about the downside of nitro like mess and tuning,

I guess the bigger you go, the tougher the choice becomes.

06-28-2008 10:09 PM

HOMEPAGE

centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

Magic hook sounds like you made a good desision, i'm sure your going to love the 600e, I know i love both mine.

06-28-2008 10:15 PM

MMike
Elite Veteran
Location: Holland,Mi-USA

Century,

Is it about $300 for batteries on a 600E?

06-28-2008 10:19 PM

HOMEPAGE

centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

depends.

On mine i run 8s and 12s. the 8s is about $320.00 and the 12s is $380.00.

But it all depends on what mah and manufacture and cell count.you could spend over 500. on a 12s battery but 5 minutes is long enough for me and i prefer to keep it light for performance.so i run 2 6s 3200 fp packs plus i can use them for my trex 500 aswell.

but on average a 5000 mah 6s pack usaully runs about 300.00 and that's the most commen battery for a trex 600e.

06-28-2008 10:27 PM

Magic Hook
Senior Heliman
Location: Naples, Florida USA

Yes, I am excited about the 600e. I did not get the exact servo, gyro, motor combo I intended, but the price was awesome. As I wear stuff out and learn, I will change.

Centuryman, I am a slow learner I guess. Your post just made the light go off in my brain. You told me before what you used for packs but it went totaly over me. NOW I am listining. HOW are you rigging the two 3200 packs? Are you using them on the NEU or the Scorpion? Both? I can run two 2500 Kongs in my 500, but they are 11.1 making the 22.2 V. You are running on 44.4v? Thanks for your patience, I can see 12s in my VERY near future. Love the versatility of that combo. I found Jazz ESC on a good sale, but I understand they will not work with 1900 NEU but they will the Scorpion I think. Either way I can the CC ESC if the stock Align is not enough. Thanks, Rick

06-28-2008 11:19 PM

centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

I actully use that setup for 3 helis,one setup uses a scorpion,the other 2 are century 650a motors, and soon my 1910 1.5y will be hear and i'll have 4 12s setups.I just wire up a series plug on the esc.use 2 plugs and put a jumper in between . I use the series setup on most my heli's, gives me more versatilaty to use batteries for other setups, for instance i have 2 4s 3200 packs that i use in series for 2 of my heli's on 8s and i have 2 6s 3200 packs that i use for 3 12s setup heli's, with alittle imagination i have 2 10s packs fo my night flying gohbee phazor 600 or i can use the 6s packs for my trex 500.

The other benifite to 6s packs is cheaper chargers,although you will need 2 .plus in the unlikely event of a crash damaged battery you more then likely will only wreck one, personaly i hav'nt wrecked a single battery in a crash yet.

06-29-2008 12:16 AM

Zaaaguy72
Veteran
Location: Grand Rapids, MN

I have to say that Centuryman's 600e 12s Scorpion setup is the most insane bird I have ever seen. He just geared it down and it is an awesome machine but before he geared it down, that thing was scary!!! I thought the head was going to pop off when he did a rocket launch!! It is awesome.

Once your past smelling something, you got it licked!!!

06-29-2008 12:52 AM

centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it.but like you said it was scary, much more manigable now,and less nerve wracking to fly.

06-29-2008 12:54 AM

Zaaaguy72
Veteran
Location: Grand Rapids, MN

But damn it was fun to watch!!

Once your past smelling something, you got it licked!!!

06-29-2008 01:30 AM

centuryman
Veteran
Location: deerriver,mn usa

I'm sure it was.i think my heart stopped on that rocket launch.

06-29-2008 01:32 AM

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