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Gasser Model RC Helicopters > My Spectra arrived - Cracked canopy and all!
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Huh, learn something new every day. Thanks for the advice, Raja.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-28-2008 05:43 AM
 
 
Toadster25
Veteran
Location: Iowa

That is what hapened to me when I was trying to pull a rotor off. Broke a piece of the threads off. Wouldn't be a big problem other than it would mess up the ballance.
06-28-2008 06:39 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Thanks guys, after sleeping on it, I'm not going to screw around with it. I'm just going to send the engine and parts to Toxic Al and have him fix it and make sure everything is perfect. I'm pulling the 231 out of my Predator and swapping it over.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-28-2008 02:25 PM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

It's ready to go again, and I've sent Toxic Al an email about sending the TRM in. It's amazing how easy it is to get everything lined up when the engine isn't screwed up. First try bolting the fan on and it was .001, and the clutch alignment was almost dead on first try and with just a tiny adjustment got it dead on with .014 all the way around. Very cool. Also got the i4c C-volt my friend gave me mounted on the rear of the frames where the boom block is, so I can monitor the operation of the generator.

If it calms down later today I'll go fly it, I'm not holding my breath, it's currently 20 gusting to 30 with VERY menacing looking skies.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-28-2008 08:51 PM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Waited and waited for the weather to clear, and finally at 7pm it became obvious that it was never calming down, so I went to the field. It was 23 gusting to 28mph when I got there. The 231 fired right up (it always did in my Pred as well), and the Spectra flies well, pretty much what I expected it to be like. It feels a bit lighter in the air than my Pred, not a huge difference, and at 1850 it's as responsive and powerful as my Pred is at 2000. Did 2 11 minute flights, I've got a tiny vibe that I need to track down (I didn't balance the tail and head yet, so that should take care of it), and I'm very happy with it. The generator worked as advertised, the voltage sat around 5.3v at idle, and after my 2 flights it still read the same.

It looks beautiful with that canopy, but I'll be damned if I can see it in the air. it turns into one big grey blob.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-29-2008 02:16 AM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Congratulations on the Maiden flight!

Glad to see you were able to swap out the motor pretty easily. They do go together very well and there isn't much of anything for lineup stuff. My 1005 you had to line up the motor and the clutch and set the mesh to the main gear from the clutch. In the Spectra I just bolted everything together and used the pull starter to spin the motor without the spark plug as I'm inserting the fan into the clutch. The spinning motion makes it seat very nice without you having to push on one and and the other to work in down. Kinda like "auto seat". Then just bolt the ladders down, spin it a few times with the pull start so it finds its place and tighten the motor screws that hold it to the bottom plate. Compared to the older 1005 its like 3 times easier to get it all setup engine wise.

I fly mine at 1650 and it does what I need it to do. Occasionally like this evening I turned it up to 1750 and it comes more alive if you're trying to kick it around more. I've never flown it at 1850, I'd bet its even more responsive, but my flying style is pretty smooth and waltzing in the sky hence why I've been satisfied with the 1650.

Hows the 16oz tank holding up to 1850 head speed? I suppose the faster the head speed the more fuel you're going to go through. In my case at 1650 I end up with about 1/4 tank left, sometimes a little less like 3/16th tank after 15 minutes of flying. Curious to know what you'll get at higher speeds. But you're actually running a 231 not a 260, so with that I think you'll probably still have around 5/16th to 3/8th tank left.

2 flight or 10 flights, fly all day and your c-volt will still show 5.1 to 5.2v no load when you switch on.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
06-29-2008 03:13 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

I've actually got a 14oz, since I had it here, I had a little under half a tank after 11 minutes, but there was a lot of idling in there. WIth the Synergy canopy, I could actually fit a 16oz Nalgene under the tray, or just in front of the engine. I may end up buying another Synergy, just in a brighter color, I like how it fits better than the stock canopy.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-29-2008 03:18 AM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

So the big question is

How does it compare to a nitro and do you think you can have just as much fun with a good 3d gasser just the same?

I mean I see people at the field and they watch me fly but some of them say well its not as fast as a nitro. Does it really need to be for someone to have fun?

11 minutes sounds like you're flying nitro flights, but then again I'm sure its the first couple and you're checking to make sure everything is still on good from the assembly which is good practice for sure expecially for the first several flights.

Canopy wise Bill Chancey makes his own canopies, one like the Spectra-g stock, but the other wider and without grooves in the cheek. He made that one like a dragon for me. Not sure if it fits the tanks better up front, but it may be an option if you want a nicely painted canopy that is different than the stock one.

He's actually trying to get a Spectra-g together now, I sent him my crashed parts from the planker bust as he's really good with making stuff and he copied the base plate to make his own. Pretty impressive!

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
06-29-2008 03:48 AM
 
 
turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

What gear ratio does the Spectra come with and what other ratios are available??

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
06-29-2008 04:00 AM
 
 
xcellgasman101
Elite Veteran
Location: WOODWARD, OKLA....

7.15:1 is stock gear ratio....6.69 to 9.5:1 gear ratio's available for the Sectra G XGM/VGM

John Crotts
www.soonerhelicamproductions.com
06-29-2008 04:14 AM
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rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Stock is 7.15

Optimized for a G231

I run mine at 7.08 with a G26.

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
06-29-2008 04:18 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Pulled the head and tail, and they are actually dead on as far as balance already. Clutch gap is perfectly even at .016 all around it, so the alignment is good, fan is balanced, so I'll have to mess with the tuning some more tomorrow to see if that solves it, it's rich now, the plug tip is black. It's just the tip of the fin vibrating, but that's too much for me. I want it to be still.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-29-2008 04:57 AM
 
 
jschenck
Elite Veteran
Location: La Vista, NE.

Weather - yep sounds like you got some of what hit Omaha Friday night. Spent the morning running a chainsaw at my wife's sisters house. They lost a big Aspen, some of their neighbors lost some really big maples and whatnot. Very wet ground with 90 mph winds. At least the temp was good. hope to get some flying in tomorrow.

...yep...
06-29-2008 05:45 AM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

The engine

Is the fins are shaking it could very well be the engine. I used to have my fins buzz on me but when I had my motor balanced my Hanson the first thing I noticed is the fins stopped buzzing.

Is your 231 stock or has it been balanced?

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
06-29-2008 05:16 PM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

It's the stock one, but it didn't buzz the fins in the Predator I pulled it out of. I'll mess with the mixture today and see if I can get it to go away, if nothing else, the TRM 231 will go back in it when it gets back from being serviced.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-29-2008 05:22 PM
 
 
rbort
Elite Veteran
Location: Franklin, MA - U.S.A.

Stock one are never perfect

I'm sure when you get the TRM back it will be smoother!

-=>Raja.

1005 Xcell Gas, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
Spectra-g, BHH G26 3D Plus, Jewel Generator
06-29-2008 05:30 PM
 
 
Eleven_Bravo
Senior Heliman
Location: Modesto,CA

Quote 
So the big question is

How does it compare to a nitro and do you think you can have just as much fun with a good 3d gasser just the same?

I would like to know the same I mean compared to a 50 compared to a 90??
Compare it to any nitro you wish. I would really like to know your thoughts how they compare in power how they compare for 3D?? I would assume a gasser will get it done just like a 90 it just will not have the pop and may not have the cyclic speed due to having more weight and in most cases a bit less HS. I would think it would be better suited for smooth 3d someone that is pretty good with collective management. I would really like to hear your thought as how the Spectra compares as I will be purchasing one of these within the next few months. Thanks

Its not a maneuver until your looking down on it. ~Jason Krause~ Phoenix FF 08
06-30-2008 12:04 AM
 
 
Eury
rrProfessor
Location: Ankeny, IA, USA.

Got 2 more flights on it today, so it's got a total of 45 minutes int he air. It's all tuned in, making good power, and is smooth with just the slightest vibe in the tail fin. After those 45 minutes of flight (wtih JR 8717s, no less), my battery still reads 5.2, and jumps to 5.4 when I start the heli. The generator is AWESOME.

I'll give my impression of the Spectra VS the Pred, and vs a glow heli.

First, vs the Predator

Same engine, same basic equipment (except the Spectra has a generator), my Spectra feels lighter, I didn't weigh them both, but carrying them both out to the car, one in each hand, the Spectra is definitely lighter. Probably a a pound or so. Build wise, the Spectra is easier, and goes together much faster, and getting it setup is a whole lot easier, especially setting meshes and clearances. Maintenance wise, the Spectra is easier to work on, it's simple to pull the engine, the pem nuts in the frame make servo changes easier, and setting up a single linkage is easier than push pull. Of course, the Predator's push pull has redundancy and rigidity, but the optional servo supports from MA give better support than push pull, and I prefer them, although it's stupid that they aren't included in the kit, there's no excuse for that. I prefer the way the front tail pinion is supported in the Spectra, although the one in the Pred is very robust as well. Mechanics wise, there honestly isn't a single area I prefer the Pred in, with the exception of the large front tray making electronics installs easier.

In the air, they both fly awesome. The Spectra feels lighter and more powerful, but it is lighter, and the gear ratio could have something to do with it (7.15 vs 6.9 in the Pred). Tracking wise, they are very similar, and in agility and cyclic speed, are about the same. If you put the same canopy on them and didn't know which was which, you'd notice the lighter feeling in the Spectra, but it's not a huge difference. They both fly great, and I'd be happy with either one. If I were buying a new heli for sport flying (from the factory, not used), I'd buy the Spectra, although I don't think it'd be worth dumping one for the other, and that's assuming you don't crash much and don't mind the higher parts prices from MA. If you're crashing more often, the parts costs on the Pred would probably make it a better choice, and for things like AP, the Pred feels better suited. I can't explain why, and it may all be in my head, but the Pred is just more massive and feels like it'd hold up to and be more appropriate for that job.

Vs a Nitro

They fly different, they are more relaxed than a glow heli, 50 or 90 sized, and don't have the power or agility. They do the same things, but they do them slower. I can do the same things with both my gassers and glow, but the gas requires better collective management, and energy management. You can get going full speed on a glow heli and stop on a dime to change directions, the gas is going to take more room. Still very agile, but it doesn't have the frenetic feel of a well set up glow heli. They are a huge amount of fun, but they are different. Here's what I love about a gasser, it's a grab and go heli. Set up well, it doesn't shake, flies great and has good power, and with camper fuel, it doesn't smell. I can just grab it, my TX and the gas can, and go fly anytime. It's like an electric, except without the charging.

My above comments are based on a stock 231 engine, about the least powerful engine you can put in a gasser. They say the modified 231s make 40% more power, and the modified 260s are in the 50% range. That would change a lot of things. I've got my TRM 231 going in for service tomorrow, hopefully it'll be back soon and I'll be able to give an impression with that. I can tell you that I'm not hurting for power with the stock 231, and I'm REALLY looking forward to the mod engine. It should turn the heli into a real beast.


Nick Crego
Still wanted by the government, I survive as a soldier of fortune.
06-30-2008 04:05 AM
 
 
Eleven_Bravo
Senior Heliman
Location: Modesto,CA

Thank you very much please also report after the engine mod. I am planning to run the Hanson 3D Max 26 in mine I am a power hungry fool. I do like you said love the nitros for the stop on a dime agility. I can't help but flying them as hard as I can usually to the point of getting past my ability level and crashing. I spent most of last year rebuilding my helis. I want to spend the rest of this year and all of next year just enjoying flying I am tired of crashing. I have decided to let my skills come to me over time instead of being the next Szabo. You said they are more relaxed than a glow heli this is exactly what I want. Hurricaines funnels inverted four point and piroing hovers rolling forward and backrawds flight are about as hard as I would ever fly a gasser basically sport flying. A big fun cruiser that I can enjoy time and time again. Its good your having excellent results with Raja's generator and 8717's as I know they are power hungry I had been afraid to run them wondering if the generator will keep up with them. It is good to know it will I was planning on running 9351's or 9451's due to them having less current draw. Now I know I can get the servos that I really want.

Thanks again for the review I know I am not the only one that will be thankful for it.

Its not a maneuver until your looking down on it. ~Jason Krause~ Phoenix FF 08
06-30-2008 04:42 AM
 
 
litespeed600
Veteran
Location: St. Charles, Missouri

I have the Predator and it's the only liquid fuel heli I have ever had/owned/flown I've been strickly electric in all things R/C. From cars to plane to heli's electric was the ONLY way to go, for me! I wanted more flight time so I started reading the forums and gas seemed like the obvious choice and since I have 2-2 stroke dune buggies and a gas powered scooter I always have some fresh gas and Amsoil mixed and ready to go.

I think the Predator is just awsome but I bought mine pre-built and pre-owned. It's the aluminum framed one with I think every upgrade including but not limited to the metal head and tail, V2 pipe and all the other CF bits on it running V Blades 710 and 105's on the tail. Mine is almost as smooth as my 90 sized electric e Raptor. The stock 231 in mine has plenty of pop. I've been to fun flys and seen those hypo nitro 90's and I think it has as much climb as them but too much weight to stop and go like they do. Mine also has the 1015 Ace servos which are just fast as anything I have ever seen on a R/C anything which make the heli instantly responsive much more so than my e-raptor with Hitech digitals. I run a 2s2p a123 home made pack which gives me an easy 4 20 min flights but I plan on going generator when the money is availible. I've only had about 15 to 20 flights on mine because of building a house and a lower back surgery. I had one crash due to a ball link that broke on the tail servo rod. I lost the blades, feathering & main shaft, flybar and one landing gear and had it fixed in about an hour. The larger size makes it more fun and faster to work on then the smaller heli's I used to fly. I flew for 20+ mins tonight and it's smooth as silk and more stable as anything I have ever flown.

If the Spectra is truely that much greater then it has got to be just great cause I have a hard time thinking anything could be better than this Predator. I just don't have any experience with any other big heli's to know the difference. I'm still in the crash "ocasionally" stage of flying so I'll stick to the cheaper parts prices till I get past this stage I'm in.

I wouldn't mind another big heli.

Tom

I'm married so you know I am no stranger to pain!
06-30-2008 04:43 AM
 
 
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