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Radio - Futaba FASST > Time for futaba to get its thing together?
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I'm a loyal Futaba user for 23 years. Before that my father already was a futaba user. I own a 14mz which I wouldn't trade for anything. I love the FASST system but... have you guys noticed that JR is catching up fast? They have high current input receivers, regulators and now even all in one setups?

I mean, it never bothered me much that futaba stuff was always priced twice as high as JR (especially receivers) but now seeing "light" and compact solutions from the competition and where is futaba? Sleeping again.

THe GV-1 is old and outdated. Every other governor out there surpasses it in both speed, accuracy and weight. Why don't they join companies that know what they are doing and focus on what they do best? Sure the revmax is... well... rudimentar but at least JR integrated it into one neat unit.

I for instance would drool over a FASST receiver with an integrated Multigov Pro and a regulator... just imagine the possibilities... a detachable LCD to configure the voltage output for every servo port, configure the multigov, configure the mixture control sub system and go fly.


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06-19-2008 09:49 PM
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Charlie R
Senior Heliman
Location: Lafayette Ca

high current input receivers

FASST receiver with an integrated Multigov Pro and a regulator...
I will take 3 of them !
Charlie R
06-19-2008 10:07 PM
 
 
xahhax
Senior Heliman
Location: Switzerland, Lausanne

I'll take one as well!
06-19-2008 10:38 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

I would take 2 myself so that makes it 6 total. Lets see if we can make it to 100 units and send the thread link to Baxter @ Futaba

Tony


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06-19-2008 11:49 PM
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furychamarro
Senior Heliman
Location: Villahermosa, Mexico

Agreed!!

Futaba needs to do something right now.

IŽll take 3 at least!!
06-20-2008 12:34 AM
 
 
mrrc
Senior Heliman
Location: Huntingdon Valley, PA

I want 2 Are they ready yet
06-20-2008 12:35 AM
 
 
legoman67
Elite Veteran
Location: Nanoose Bay B.C, Canada

i would take at least 2.

Matt M.
http://www.filepile.ca
06-20-2008 12:40 AM
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montarok
Key Veteran
Location: Brooklyn, NY

I'll take 2...

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06-20-2008 03:47 AM
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Scrub
Senior Heliman
Location: Antioch, CA

I agree but I do have to give Futaba their props. When they come out with something they make it last for years. Sure the GV1 is old and outdated but look how long the design has lasted. Same goes for the 401, 601, etc. My only gripe with Futaba is they don't seem to pay any attention to the Heli community. JR has some great stuff. If I already didn't own a 14 I'd jump on the JR bandwagon myself.
06-20-2008 04:49 AM
 
 
turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

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I love the FASST system but... have you guys noticed that JR is catching up fast?

That is a real understatement. In my opinion they are now the radio of choice in all areas. All types of RX's for any application and at lower prices too. I was a Futaba user for 20 years. Great radios. As a heli pilot over the years I have always drooled over the 9303. When the X9303 came out I put my Raptor 30 up for sale twards the purchase. It arrived and it is the best radio I have ever owned. Futaba was caught off guard and JR/Spectrum has really done it's homework on this one,,all the while things like the GV1 now sit on shelves. Just an opinion.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
06-20-2008 05:13 AM
 
 
tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,
Can't 100% agree with you..... Instead JR is the only company don't have their own 2.4G technology, the receivers with regulator, Gov you mentioned are all Spketrum products, the DSM technology belongs to SPEKTRUM. I don't think JR = Spektrum.

But I do agree Futaba should haven't pay any attentions to their heli customers ....
06-20-2008 07:16 AM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

Well, it isn't theirs but thats the exactly the point. They spent their time perfecting the vibe 50 so in order to keep in the front they grabed the best solution available at hand. Should we now wait that the futaba engineers finished the 10C and will now start considering makeing a new rx or maybe they have a 11C on their agenda before that?

Tony


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06-20-2008 09:07 AM
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mad_crille
Heliman
Location: Sweden

FASST receiver with an integrated Multigov Pro and a regulator...
Oo yes I take at least 4 of them

Regards Crille
06-20-2008 09:55 AM
 
 
tgo
Senior Heliman
Location: HK

Hi Tony,

If you look at JR's Japan website, you will find they have 2 divisions, heli and radio..... I can't imagine all the radio guys are helping the heli divison to devlop the Vibe 50.

I used to a the first generation 9X, sold it for 9XII and still using it until I got the 12FG 2.4G. I like the features of the Futaba but the finishing of JR radios.
06-20-2008 04:28 PM
 
 
Four Stroker
Veteran
Location: Atlanta

Where is Mac_Man when you need him ?
06-20-2008 05:20 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

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I can't imagine all the radio guys are helping the heli divison to devlop the Vibe 50.


No No No. That heli had to be developed by at least 200 guys to make it so close to perfection

The Vibe development was a joke of course. Truth is... so what? They went with spektrum for some reason instead of developing their own. They saved on time and resources and used them somewhere else.

What is futaba doing? I bet it isn't a high current rx with a multigov....

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I like the features of the Futaba but the finishing of JR radios.

Same here but the problem is that we are getting left behind. I just browsed the new 12X manual and there are some small things I don't like but I sure like that magnesium case as compared to the cheap plastic $2000 14mz case...

Tony


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06-20-2008 05:25 PM
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Zaneman007
Key Veteran
Location: Texas - USA

I think the question is leading edge or bleeding edge. I held off on the 2.4ghz systems until after the "brown out" issue was resolved. I mean how many people would have knowingly purchased a Rx that would reset itself (taking 3 to 4 seconds) while in flight?

Although, Futaba has the edge on Brushless servos. They do seem to be sleeping behind the wheel. Their gyros are getting challenged every day. And they do appear to be late on coming out with a 2.4ghz system? Wake up.

I'd rather be flying
06-20-2008 06:05 PM
 
 
Dr.Ben
Elite Veteran
Location: Richmond, VA, USA

Stay tuned.

I can assure you that Futaba's R&D is alive and working on both a gyro and a governor. The R&D challenges and producing the THEIR OWN SS technology delayed production of these other important devices. In about 1/3 the time it took for JR to update the 10X with a new flagship radio, Futaba produced the 14 MZ, the 12Z, the 12FG, and the 10C.

And the last time I checked, JR hardly had their own governor, no brushless heli servos, and even with its nice Mg case, you STILL can't EVER update the software yourself on your new 12X.

Ben Minor
06-20-2008 06:07 PM
 
 
Andy from Sandy
Veteran
Location: UK

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The R&D challenges and producing the THEIR OWN SS technology delayed production of these other important devices.

The only thing wrong with that statement is that Futaba have been boasting that they have been doing SS for the last 15 years.
06-20-2008 06:28 PM
 
 
tchavei
rrProfessor
Location: Portugal

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no brushless heli servos

so the DS8717 is just a futaba's bad dream and the bls451 arn't car servos that happen to work in helis? I actually remember futaba USA disadvising them for heli use during a week or so.

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Although, Futaba has the edge on Brushless servos

Again... DS8717... brushless, 0.06 sec, 12kg torque. Whats futaba best shot? BLS451?


Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of futaba but lets not get blind here... JR doesn't have an own governor? True but they did the right thing. They hooked up with someone who already had one and even though I personally don't like it, I know thousands of people that are jumping happily around because they were used to the revmax and now they have the chance to still have it in a nice JR package.

now back to the radios... now that you mention it... why a 10C, 12FG, 12X anyway?


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06-20-2008 07:07 PM
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