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Main Discussion > Why is 120 Swashplate better?
 
 
nedyah
Senior Heliman
Location: South Australia

This may be a dumb question. I haven't had to much to do with CCPM, but why is 120 degree swash better than 90. I know a little about how it works, but what are the advantages to having a 120 swash to a 90?

cheers, Hayden.
02-13-2002 Over year old.
 
 
cripskillz
Senior Heliman
Location: Paso Robles CA

The only thing I can think of is that the servos will all be pushing in a nice equal amount like ummm the force is even on the swash 120+120+120 = 360 the 90+90+90=270 and a swash is 360 degrees
and I just woke up so thats the only way I can think of it right now.

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Doug
Elite Veteran
Location: Naples Florida....

I would thing 90 deg using 4 servos would be the best
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JCadwell
Key Veteran
Location: Richland WA/ Morro Bay, CA

Perhaps an advantage of the 120 is that servos that are not perfectly matched can be used (not that they should knowingly) The CCPM requires servos that are matched anyway, but with a 90 degree setup one of the servos that is faster than another servo that is opposite would be putting constant stress on the servo or swash. With the 120 degree setup the swashplate could list a little bit if the servo transit speeds were not identical. I hypothesize that 120 might have a little more tolerance for mismatch.

Thanks, John Cadwell
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nedyah
Senior Heliman
Location: South Australia

What about the actual flying of it. Doe's it feel better/different to fly?
02-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
BladeRunner
Elite Veteran
Location: Ontario Canada. Member of "some sort" s

120 Swash?

I haven't flown mine yet,it is 120. However there is still a bit of interaction in the controls with 120, that's why 140 is supported on some JR radios, 140 is supposed to eliminate any interactions altogether.
Of coarse only heli-Gods like Curtis would feel the difference, in fact he is the one who figured it out-as far as I know.

The Vigor CS comes with software that lets you program your radio and "fly like Curtis does". Like that's gonna' happen during my lifetime! hehehe
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HeliinAL
Heliman
Location: Montgomery, AL

I am converting my Eco 8 from 90 to 120...main reason is that my 10x doesn't support 90.

I haven't flown it; however, here is another thought I have not seen mentioned. I am still anewbie, but think my thinking is correct on this:

With 90 deg... all 3 servos work to slide swashplate up/down and adjust pitch. And only 1 servo the front/back servo works on forward/aft cyclic and 2 servos for left/right cyclic.

With the 120 degree all three servos work with forward/aft cyclic. All 3 three adjust pitch and I think there is still only 2 that work on the left/right cyclic.

I think the the 90 deg is weaker in this respect.

Brian
Montgomery, AL
02-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
Beezer
Veteran
Location: Ontario, Canada

Less parts

One of the other advantages of 120 deg. swashplate is that there are less moving parts in the CCPM system, like only one elevator arm. But like BladeRunner mentioned unless your one of the top pilots who has tried every gadget or modification doubt you would actually notice a difference between the two systems in flight. Now setting it up is another story.


Carl
02-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
East Coast Scale
Key Veteran
Location: Taxachussetts

Actually, there is more movement for 120 degree than 90 degree. With 3 servo 90, only one servo moves for elevator, while in 120, all three servos move. If the pitch or aileron servo is a little faster or slower than the other, you stand the chance of going forward and to the right or left slightly when you give forward elevator. With the 3 servo 90, you only have the elevator servo in the back, or front working to move the heli forward or back, and the swash pivots on the two side servos. Four servo 90 is harder to setup and acquire a setup with no binding through out the pitch range with a cyclic movement. Some people tell me that they like the four servo 90 so if they loose a servo, they can still land. That really is a false sense of security, since if one of the servos locks in a particular spot, you are going in.Quite frankly for scale and medium flying, you will never know the difference. Even Curtis has said that the 140 degree eliminates alot of the interaction, but not all of it. Only a handfull of pilots can feel it anyway.
Joe
02-14-2002 Over year old.
 
 
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