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Scale Model RC Helicopters > My First attempt at scale flying on a Vario ¼ scale Jet-Ranger PHT3.
 
 
MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

I have just spent almost 3 days attending a master class on large scale flying on one of these giants of the sky.
No photo or video can prepare you for the size of this beast, even in comparison to the XLV which I owned previously was dwarfed by the scale of this fuse built by Peter Robertson.

I have bought it and wanted to be sure and spend a few days understanding scale flying. The machine uses the PHT3 jetcat turbine, so I had no worries on flame out issues or reliability.

On Weds we met up at a private field on the Dartmoor moorlands, not far from Plymouth, perfect flying weather no wind, we started unpacking and getting this machine ready for flight.
The blades are huge as is everything about this machine.

It holds 5 litres of jet fuel, yep, 5 litres, which using a hand pump system took around 8 – 12 mins to fill up, I gassed it up and then prepared for the inevitable first flight.

Coming from an F3C background I felt flying slow and precise would not be a problem with this machine, as its head speed is around 950rpm, how wrong I was!

The turbine which had not run since August 07 fired up on the button, a real tribute to the reliability and engineering of the jetcat system.
Within 15 seconds the machine was now up to idle, it was so real, having own 2 PHT3’s it sounded different being in cased in a such a large fuse. Up to mid stick and we were in a hover, the first thing I noticed was the delay between an input on the TX and something happening on the machine, it took some time to get used to it, and was disconcerting at first, this I later found is normal operation of a scale model this size and is the new skill I now had to master.

On the smaller scale/funkie fuse,pod and boom setup, having flown an Airwolf gasser I could keep the disk quite level and do a slow controlled turn using a little aileron and rudder, and using elevator to control the exit speed out of the turn.

On a machine of this size to expect a tail servo to turn that amount of mass is unrealistic, and this where true scale flying comes into play, to turn a machine of this size needed aileron nose down and rudder, but I found it hard to keep and get that balance right in order to not allow the machine to balloon up,this was purely my in experience flying this size of scale machine, which is why it run away from me on a few occasions, the main mast on this vario setup is tilted 5 or more degrees forward not level as on most scale machines, hence it is really easy to suddenly find yourself with a machine that is running away from you, with Peter on my shoulder shouting get that nose down! Feed in aileron and rudder I did manage to bring the model back to me and into a safe hover, it was very nerve racking, and as you can imagine the old hands were shaking quite a bit, anyway after the first tank, around 15mins we landed, calmed the nerves down and refuelled, on this next flight, I was trying to master turning the aircraft whilst keeping the nose down and using rudder, I have to say this was going against the grain of how I learnt to fly, as it always seemed I was flying to the edge and catching the machine, if I overshot the flying area it was full aileron, nose down, rudder, once turn levelling out, but it was down to timing being perfectly executed so the machine as it turned the aileron was in effect acting as brake to slow the machine down, this I would say was the biggest learning curve, and is the key to successful flying of this machine. ALONG WITH LOADS OF CONFIDENCE.

I left Plymouth 2 days later having gained a good insight to the scale flying skill, having managed left hand circuits and right hand circuits along with a nose in hover coming into land, I felt with a lot more stick time I would become a lot more comfortable with this beast. It is a lot harder than it looks, despite coming from a precision flying background.
I will be practicing on my Hotcat those scale turns into wind and once mastering them every time I will be back on the Jet-ranger.

It was a great learning experience, and I thank Peter for sharing his knowledge and time….



"A woman went to a plastic surgeon and asked him to make her like Bo Derek. He gave her a labot
06-14-2008 11:52 AM
 
 
modtron
Veteran
Location: Oxford. UK

Hey Matt,

Good news at last, but my eyes must be out of focus - looks like left hand rotation. he he........

modtron
Oxford UK
06-14-2008 12:20 PM
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AdeH
Senior Heliman
Location: Kent, UK

Cool

Nice one Matt

Welcome to scale flying....the real stuff!

No more of this rubbish 3D anymore.


Ha ha you have surcome to the scale side!

Heli looks gorgeous shame about the bloke in the picture spoiling it!

Good luck.

Adrian

After scale everything else is a toy!
06-14-2008 01:53 PM
 
 
gadgetdude
Senior Heliman
Location: Southern California

Bloody brilliant! (my UK terminology)
Freakin Awesome! (my US terminology)

Wow, you blokes across the pond don't mess around do you

Very nice!!!!!!!! And thanks for the detailed learning curve. I am sure all the rest of us spectators agree, WE WANT some video of that bird in the sky! Have a pint on me chap
06-14-2008 02:34 PM
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Dr.Tim
Key Veteran
Location: Mojave Desert

A Crew Cut with a Smile and a Helicopter on the GROUND is not going to cut it there Buddy!!! I think a Video is in order!!

Looks Great on the ground!!!
And your story was top notch!!

Dr.Tim

From Simple minds come simple ideas! Starwood Models, Approach Engineering
06-14-2008 02:48 PM
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MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

thanks for the really nice comments guys,

i still have a lot of work to do and build up confidence and experience... as it is a new way of flying.

modtron - No your eyes are ok, it was not only LHR but also non HH, ha ha ha i have been flying a TREX SE in a A109 fuse, i set it up to fly NON HH, so the tail is all over the place, but i have now learnt to fly it and over come that feeling that all hellies have to be flown in HH.

Dr Tim, - Coming from another scale master i appreciate the comment, there is a video, but Pter has had to do some editing as he was swearing at me to get the nose down i was swearing at him telling him to shut up cos i was concentrating so much. but we had a steak in the evening to show we were still friends LOL.

I will ask Peter to send me the video and i will up load it, it is a nice video cos you can see me fly it and then in the hands of a scale flyer the machine really does look stunning.

Matt jenner

"A woman went to a plastic surgeon and asked him to make her like Bo Derek. He gave her a labot
06-14-2008 04:18 PM
 
 
WIRLYBIRD
Senior Heliman
Location: CAPE TOWN / SOUTH AFRICA.

Matt , that's a beautiful model , look after her , and have fun.
Dave.

WHAT GOES UP MUST SURELY COME DOWN.
06-14-2008 05:30 PM
 
 
modtron
Veteran
Location: Oxford. UK

Matt,

Only kidding - glad you have finally found your feet - so to speak.

Look forward to seeing it& you at the Vario do in August ?

modtron
Oxford UK
06-14-2008 06:06 PM
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MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

i knew you were joking LOL,

Yeah i will be there in August, i will still be learning to fly it, so wont be into fast scale circuits as yet,

Matt

"A woman went to a plastic surgeon and asked him to make her like Bo Derek. He gave her a labot
06-14-2008 06:15 PM
 
 
seattle_helo
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Wow, that heli is beautiful, Matt. Have fun with that thing and please post some video!

nick
06-14-2008 11:34 PM
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PETER ROB
Key Veteran
Location: Devon UK

1/4 scale Turbine Jet Ranger

Sorry Matt,Could not resist, weather was great on Sat,a small group of us got together



JetCat Turbine Jet Ranger,JetCat turbine XLV,Wren Turbine XLV, Gasser R22, Gasser Vario trainer, last but not least, TT Raptor this belongs to the youngest member of the group,11 year old Ben, who want to learn to fly scale, we do not have every model available but certainly have the full range on power units, including full size


Enjoy
Peter R
06-15-2008 11:25 PM
 
 
Totto
Senior Heliman
Location: Norway

Hello MattJen,

Wow,,,,Congratulation with this very nice model, and have lots of fun flying it !
Just Super !


Best regards
Totto

http://www.tottoshobby.net
06-16-2008 08:41 AM
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gtech
Heliman
Location: Riverside, CA

Who makes them and how do I get one???

SHUT UP AND FLY!!!!
06-18-2008 01:38 AM
 
 
seattle_helo
Key Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA USA

Well, the fuse is from Vario:

http://us.vario-helicopter.biz/shop...oducts_id=34783

And the engine is from JetCat:

http://www.jetcatusa.com/hp5.html
http://www.jetcat.de/jetcatturbinen...terturbinen.htm
06-18-2008 02:03 AM
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haggy38
Senior Heliman
Location: Bogotá - Colombia

WOWW!! That's big. looking forward the vid, from zero the starting procedure Turbine is awesome!!

Regards,
Gustavo
06-18-2008 02:05 AM
 
 
PETER ROB
Key Veteran
Location: Devon UK

That's big.

haggy38, Matt stands around 6ft 5inch tall, and about the same around, makes the heli lok smaller
I have about 30 mins of footage, just have to edit and post
Peter R
06-18-2008 08:13 AM
 
 
BrentC
Senior Heliman
Location: Utah, USA

Nice Jet Ranger! Looking forward to the video. Appreciate you sharing your experience flying it. Please keep us posted.
BrentC

That can't be good!
06-18-2008 05:45 PM
 
 
Dave Wallace
Heliman
Location: Devon UK

Vario Jet Ranger

If you'd like to see the Jet Ranger in action flown by Peter Robertson go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl-xb6gBOZ0
06-19-2008 09:59 PM
 
 
Rotor George
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

Beautiful smooth scale flying!!!!!!!!!
06-19-2008 10:11 PM
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MattJen
Elite Veteran
Location: uk

wow
as you have matched the shutter speed to the blades, you can really see how much those blades cone..

It is interesting how quick the rudder movements are in that video, i found the rudder very sluggish, i guess i did not have my nose forwards enough to throw it round..

Matt

"A woman went to a plastic surgeon and asked him to make her like Bo Derek. He gave her a labot
06-20-2008 12:02 AM
 
 
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