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Audacity Models Pantera 50 - Tiger 50 > BBC Kits Are Available
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

The BBC kits, Stage 1, are in stock.

Stage 1 is what you need to physically mount the big block engine into the Pantera. I.e. an OS61, 70, 91, or a YS 61, 80, or 91. However, the YS engines use a different engine nut than the OS engines (and old YS 61ST1 use something else altogether) and thus, we need to make sure which engine you're going to use so as to ensure you get the correct tapered nut. FWIW, the OS engines use the 5/16 thread vs. the YS engines using an 8mm thread. Stage 2 kits, which consist of the gear set for the 91-class engines will be a few more weeks.

Anyway, these aren't not on the website so you'll need to call me directly. Unfortunately, I'll be in and out today and Friday and thus, I'll be a little hard to reach. Hence, if you don't get me on the phone, just leave your name and number on my voice mail and I'll return your call (or send me an email).

Regards,


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
06-12-2008 05:37 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

John that is great news. Do you think the problem with the nut is finally resolved?! Should everyone consider 640mm blades as maximum? Do you have a max blade weight you would recommend to protect the head? You know someone is going to rush to stuff a 90 in a Pantera.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-12-2008 06:42 PM
 
 
Hate_To_Crash
Heliman
Location: Near Lake Tahoe

Like huh Me??

John I'll wait until the whole set is ready...

Look for my Call

Mike & Crickett
06-12-2008 09:27 PM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Marty,

We recommend running 620mm blades. It's been our experience with 640mm blades (so far) that they're not that great. Frankly, I don't know if it's an issue with the particular blade airfoil, or what. Conversely, the various 620mm blades all seem to work well. Naturally, if you're game, go ahead and try 640mm blades for yourself and tell us what you learn - interested minds always want to know another's opinion!

Engine wise, folks can always run a 90 if they like, but without the Stage 2 gear set I rather doubt they'll like it for 3D work (though sport use and scale works rather nicely). Regardless, I seriously doubt folks will be able to get themselves in trouble simply because the engine won't turn fast enough to reach its sweet spot powerwise and hence, this is a non-issue because tyhe 91 isn't optimized for the present gearing but using one won't hurt anything.

Here's the deal. The BBC conversion is perfect for folks with a 61 laying around (and I've seen 61SX-WC engines going for 35-50 bucks here on RR, and some included a muffler), and/or for those wanting to overcome the issue of reduced horsepower resulting from high density altitude. In my opinion, if you're buying a new engine for the conversion, an OS Max 70 is a "very" nice choice, i.e. easy to tune, it makes plenty of power, and it results in loads of fun because it'll climb so strongly you can race bottle rockets! It's a giggle maker, if you catch my drift. Everybody at the field will say, wow!

Finally, with respect to the engine nut; back in February you were amongst a very select group of people who received a BBC kit. Why didn't I release them widely? Precisely because I wanted to see what I could learn from folks like you. Hence, I very carefully sought to place them in an effort to discover what the user experience would be. Naturally, the participants were, as is my norm, selected largely because of their differing levels of experience. I.e. we sought to see what folks with experience ranging from rank beginners through experts modelers would have to say to see what problems, if any, they encountered. However, what I have in stock now are final production parts, i.e. CNCed to a very high quality level, which are nigh near perfect, so again, this is a non-issue.

Regards,


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
06-12-2008 09:33 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

well what I was actually getting at was making sure someone doesnt extend the boom and try to run 690's or 710's. Just because you bolt a 90 engine in a Pantera does not make it a 90 size machine. You should tell people what you think the limita are on the head in terms of blade weight and headspeed.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-13-2008 11:16 AM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Just got the BBC production kit.
What a far cry from the Proto Type JB sent me in Feb.
One of the big issues that Marty and I found was a run out issue and the nut was hand turned. We had to do a few mods to get things to work. But the concept was spot on. We all spent many a night on the phone with each other till the wee hours. We talked about the good and the bad. JB ran with our input and has now produced a kit for all of you.
Thats how it works folks. I have been a Proto Type Engineer for over 30 years. I was a joy to work with the team.
Did I get any money for this?
NO! Just the fun of a good project that went well and playing with cutting edge stuff.
It's always nice to have a mod that is plug and "play".
Thanks JB. Look forward to the next project you have in your brain.



My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
06-19-2008 03:02 AM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Bill, have you bolted it on yet? I'm curious to know what runout you get from the start.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-19-2008 03:05 AM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Marty
Pulling the Proto type tonight.
Let ya know.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
06-19-2008 03:11 AM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Marty and all.
Just pulled the BBC Proto stuff.
Installed the the "production run BBC".
Run out is .005"
Im sure if I spent some time I could get it down.
The Proto type could only dial in with many hours of work to .011"
before the mods.
No mods needed on this one folks.
Nice work JB.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
06-19-2008 04:12 AM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Thats thats why I ended up not using the nut. I couldnt get it below .010" but without the nut or collect I happened upon .002" and went with it. I am glad it turned out to be something simple. Those proto parts were pretty rought. It sounds likes the production version is pretty well finished out? What is the cost for the Stage 1 kit? That'd be the engine mount, brass collect, hub and nut right?

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-19-2008 01:59 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Give John a call if you've been awaiting the BBC, he says he has a limited supply of the Stage 1 BBC kits.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-19-2008 03:57 PM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Marty,
How about .002"
This is using the new collet and nut. Using the Proto Type engine mount and hub with no issues. It just bolted together. As I snugged things down so did the run out.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
06-20-2008 01:15 AM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

That sounds better. Now go for my record .0007 and that was with home made parts. That was on my 61 on my TT70 I only got it down to .003
06-20-2008 01:51 AM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Hillbilly,
three zeros!
Your a god and master at this. Im lucky to get two zeros and a number.
No vibations on you cluch man

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
06-20-2008 03:53 AM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

that sounds great on both accounts!

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-20-2008 06:20 AM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

If I rember right that took me about 2.5 hours toget that. Don't tell anyone but I was getting .007 or higher for the first 2 hours and 20 mins.
06-20-2008 12:17 PM
 
 
MartyH
Key Veteran
Location: Lawrenceburg, Indiana

Isnt that crazy how that works. Just about when you are convinced you cant get it any closer, there'll be this spot, that you cant find twice but it's there and you're finally good to go. When I was working with John on the prototype BBC I abandoned the tapered nut/collet arrangement and did my own thing. It fell upon .002 right out of the chute! Sometimes you get lucky.

Marty,
Raptors,Evos, Panteras and more
06-20-2008 12:39 PM
 
 
jbeech
rrAdvertiser
Location: Sanford, FL (Orlando area)

Oddly enough, lubricating the nut/collet so it slip/slides easily on the hub is what I do - but be careful "not" to get any in the threads themselves! When I'm done (finally), I clean up as best I can using a Q-tip and denatured alcohol, MEK, or acetone, and use a drop of LockTite 290 (the thin green self-wicking stuff) to secure things in place and set it aside until the next day.


John Beech - GM (and janitor)
Audacity Models
06-20-2008 02:50 PM
 
 
billm
Key Veteran
Location: Liberty Lake, WA

Nice tip JB.
I got to .002 and quit.
Then I snugged things down and the run out went to .004" This was using the proto type nut.

My name is Billm. Cough, and I'm a Heli Holic
06-21-2008 04:24 AM
 
 
Mr.HillBilly
Senior Heliman
Location: Salesville, OH - USA

Well I was only able to get down to 0.0045 this time. I need to get some new parts I guess.
06-21-2008 01:22 PM
 
 
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