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e-E-Flite Blade CP CX 400-3D > Blade CP+ Pro Blade CP P w/ super skids
 
 
jjchoe
Heliman
Location: irvine, ca usa

I was just wondering if others are experiencing the same thing with this setup. Everything is stock on my blade CP PRO, the only options are the super skids and the E-Flight aluminum swash plate (recommended by hobby store employee, was told that this was a great upgrade, make BCPP more precise) What I am experiencing is that lift on the heli (going up) is slower, probably due to the added weight. This sounds normal to me, but just wanted to see if others are experiencing this as well. I am using wooded blades (symetrical) from helidirect, the cheaper ones. Or is it the blades or a combo of both. Another question on a stock BCCP on the RTF transmitter, on the left side the dial, what do you guys have it set on. Is it OK to have it at like 80% or even max 100% (all the way to the right), Or will this just burn out the motor faster. since lower setting seem to bogg down the motor. Not enough motor for the pitch angle. I love flying this BCPP, the size is perfect, and i really don't mind the tail since, i don't mind putting inputs on the trans to correct the tail, or even holding the stick to one side for the entire hover. i hardly ever have the stick postions on trans in the middle position. Then again i am pretty comfortable with a stick radio, except the nose in thing, boy oh boy, that is a different animal. hahaha. Also are there other blades that as good as the stock blades, but cheaper, or is the stock main blades the best for the BCCP. Thx in advance for all your inputs.
06-11-2008 09:35 PM
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

yup normal really, the superskids added about 34 grams and 39-40grams if you also installed the horizontal stab and boom braces (totally not needed btw).

It lifts slower but is a tad more "stable". At least your skids will never break again.



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06-11-2008 10:13 PM
 
 
jjchoe
Heliman
Location: irvine, ca usa

Thank for the feedback, yeah i initially installed all the additional pieces (tail fins), but, it would seriouly bog down the motor, i could hear the motor slowing down, so i took tail pieces off, and it was alot better, so i switched back to the wooden blades, was using plastic. It was about the same, huh, i thought it would be better. I will continue to use the wooden blades since most of you guys on this forum do not recommed the plastics blades which = more broken parts when you crash, which makes sense since somethings got to break, might as well be the cheapest thing. And also continue to use the super skids since it looks nice and also i like the fact that it is quite strong, also heli seems easier to fly, due to the added weight.

i had another questions, i was thinking of going brushless main and tail like most of you guys here, my question is, is it recommended if i am going to use the stock transmitter the E-Flight RTF one. Or is this not a good idea. Main reason for not getting a better radio is $$, since i just can't seem to justify spending more than the total cost of this little heli for a new radio. This would be a different case if i was not such a newb to the heli world, and new i would be getting a more advanced heli.
06-11-2008 11:34 PM
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

There are as many different answers to that last question as members on this forum. IMHO, before you go much further in this hobby, get a better TX and RX. A programmable TX will give you the adjustment control you would need to properly setup a brushless setup. But seperates on a BCP or what ever give more control over power, trim, curves..etc..etc. It can be pricey for sure but this is RC heli's were discussing. You didn't chose an enexpensive or easily learned hobby.

If I were you, I would continue with the stock setup. go to the 9t pinion and lipo battery, maybe add the direct drive tail with gray cap long can motor. Fly and replace as needed till your confident this money pit is for you. Then drop the cash for the best radio setup you can barely afford.



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06-12-2008 12:28 AM
 
 
tutelar-rc
Key Veteran
Location: Nobleton, Ontario - Canada

I agree with futuramille.

Although I fly all BL BCPPs, the stock heli does fly very well. Learn with that (at least how to be comfortable with a hover and normal forward flight), then decide what you want to do next...

Wish I had done that, but I kept thinking "a better heli will make me a better pilot". The truth is, the only thing that makes a better pilot is practice...

Happy Flying!
06-12-2008 12:35 AM
 
 
jjchoe
Heliman
Location: irvine, ca usa

thanks guys, that seems like a logical plan. I was just looking for more lift power, does any company make a replacement brushed motor for the BCPP, with more rpm, that i can use with the stock electronics?
06-12-2008 12:50 AM
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

...its a trick question. At this stage in learning (same stage I'm at after a year or few), more lift power only means twichier collective. If your heli is not doing a toilet bowel action or wollowing in a hover, chances are you have the lift you need to learn all your orientations. Its all about pitch management. You would have to dump alot more than a different Hotter brushed motor to get the jump I'm suspecting your looking for...and yes, the right brushless setup would do that of course but unless your hovering in all orientations and doing mild circuits its a waste at this point.

In training others I use the lowest head speed that produces a steady hover. less head speed...less damage (I wish) but it holds basically true. Stick time is what your buying now so put your money where your learning curve is!

Stick with the woodies...they may cost but the weight difference is substantial. even on my brushless trainers I use the stock flat bottom woodies....more lift for the power.

Here is an original bcp no bell hiller. flat bottom blades and a lipo thats it.

http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/im...CP_09092007.wmv

practice my fiend! practice.



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06-12-2008 02:16 AM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

futuramille, That really was very controlled, precise flying. You were under complete control in all orientations and your right--- there is NO way to achieve that without setting it up right and Practice , Practice, practice.
My friend has a Bone stock Blade CP that I find very FUN to fly as it is. My own blade has an HDX300 brushless main, a DD tail and Telebee gyro--- It has ALOT more power but CRASHES happen alot FASTER as well and with more power usually comes more damage when gravity wins
The Blade CP pro 2 version (coming soon) has a better quality main motor that might be a nice happy medium between the stock CP motor and a brushless motor. As soon as they are available , I'll have to try one out .
06-12-2008 12:45 PM
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

Thanks DougsRC, I certaily wasn't trying to show off skills simply showing that a stock setup...when setup well...flies.

There are so many points on the machine that can rob rpm. Blade tracking, gear mesh, vibration are the biggies. Adding the super gear is impacting but I have that same stock motor but lipo added setup inside Darth fusilages that add 48grams and though its a pig, it still flies well enough.

heavier blades like plastiblades or the Eflite CF set also take more power. Woodies are lighter and the flat bottom blades give more lift for the same rpm than symetrical.

JJchoe, check your setup for these rpm robbing areas. There are pleanty of setup threads on here and elsewhere to help.

best of luck and happy landings



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06-12-2008 02:55 PM
 
 
jjchoe
Heliman
Location: irvine, ca usa

Thanks futura & DougsRC, thx for the great and honest advise. So funny last night after work, i was so excited to fly the heli, so after charging the Lipo pack, i went to the only close available area which is a small parking lot with lots of trees and carports. Not the best area, but its right outside. After hoovering for a minute, i started to do my useual figure 8, oh no where did that TREE come from. Tried to avoid it, heli got side ways, panic set in, tried to apply max lift, and bank the other direction, did not work. Broken main blades, broken flybar mount(i think thats what its called) bent flybar, bent spindle, broken spur (crashed on its side) Super Skid A OK, hahaha. Oh well off to the hobby store after work today, time to donate another $40 to the hobby store. I will try the flat bottom blades, since i need new ones. Gear mess, is fine, as for pitch ?, don't have a pitch gauge. the vibration not to bad, normal to me i think. Blade tracking, i do this everytime before i plug the battery, and also give a little tug on the blades to take away any slack and to straiten it.
Futura i like your last comment since it is so true "happy landing"
06-12-2008 05:26 PM
 
 
vidmarv
Senior Heliman
Location: ft walton beach, FL

Hey jj

Might want to re-read a bit about your blade tracking. I've never been able to do that without plugging in the battery first. Perhaps you know a way to do static tracking? Not saying you don't, just saying I don't. All I've read says you must have the blades moving to check tracking.

Great that you're having fun. Practice is the key, but I would ad that practice setting it up is just as important. I've learned as much by tinkering with different parts and bling and I really think it's helped my set ups. Presently, I'm waiting on parts to set up a total BL separate second BCP (if you still call it that?) and love it. That being said, I'm taking my other one back to straight stock to use as a "trainer".

My current learning progression will work like this...

First time I try something, it's on the straight stock BCP. Next time on the BCP with separates, then onto the Trex 450. The logic being, the straight stock BCP is cheaper to fix and hardest to pull off something new on. If I can master it on the stock BCP, then it's a snap on the others. You should note, at this point I'm only talking about learning nose-in flying (FFF, sideways, & reverse). While I think the straight stock machine might be capable of a few flips and rolls, that's gonna be about the extent of what it will be able to do.

I love the thing, but understand many folks frustration with them. They are more than a little unforgiving, but I say that will make you a better flyer in the end. If you like a challenge, you'll love the BCP!

Here's to calm air and blue skies.

VM

Perfectly sliced air every time!
06-12-2008 09:21 PM
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

Super landing gear was one of my first up grades. No matter how I upgraded after that, the Super landing gear was the single constant. This baby has crashed so many times...I stopped counting. the landing gear never broke though everything else did over time. Upgrading can be an expensive order and getting it right is like Vidmarv says...another true and different learning experience but. Solid practice time begins with a solid setup.

Stay the coarse and enjoy this wonderful experience.



a short vid of it...

http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/im...2387_output.wmv

a bit smoother than the stock one. having over 350 hours on the tx with this model is cool too.

Here is a stock bcp with a darth fuselage that I built...its got a TP1320 on board and heat syncs but otherwise stock mechanics.

this was the maiden flight and the added weight surpised me (made my son holler..sorry)

http://www.cindy4citycouncil.com/im...2559_output.wmv

So many options with the bcp...so little money to spend on it.



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06-13-2008 04:09 AM
 
 
jjchoe
Heliman
Location: irvine, ca usa

Response to Vidmarv, Due to my newb-ness, i guess i worded it wrong, what i meant to say was that i check that the main blades are straight (apart from each other), then yes as for the tracking i do that with the blades spinning (battery pluged in) looking at the side of the heli, to see if i see 1 plain or 2. 1 = good. (sorry for the lack in correct terminology) I am flying and learning on my own so the only people i talk to about this is you guys and the hobby store employees. And i greatly appreciate the people in this forum, i learned alot. Sicne the hobby store employees know very little and are very little help.

Nice flying Futuramille. I think that would be my only hopup as well the super skids, well and the alum swash plate, since its nice eye candy. (I know i am such a newb) (all show and no go) hahaha

I just got back from the hobby store, can't wait to go home to change out the broken parts and fly it again.

i hate the heli when i crash but love it when i fly it.
06-13-2008 09:47 PM
 
 
futuramille
Veteran
Location: SC USA

I think the alum swash is more than eye candy...it may no make all that much difference to you right now in handling but it does make a difference. the one I have I also got early (about the time I got the super lg) and its still on there hundreds of hours later. You made a good investment if you plan to keep flying the BCP. For those that plan to move on quickly after learning...then I would say it would be a waste of money.

You mentioned you were alone in your experience and training yourself...look up radds training program. It works!!!!! Stick to it..don't get side tracked. Burn the batteries and it will help you considerably. Trick is to stick with each level TILL YOUR BORED!!

Go too fast and your buying parts. Stay with the program and you'll find you spend alot less on broken stuff.



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06-14-2008 07:52 PM
 
 
DougsRC
Elite Veteran
Location: MA

Quote 
trick is to stick with each level TILL YOUR BORED
That is Great advice !! If you jump ahead of your own skill level - crashes WILL happen OFTEN !!
06-14-2008 08:24 PM
 
 
Gyronut
Elite Veteran
Location: Martinsville In.

I think I'll upgrade my new Pro 2 with a Super skids and metal swash.

Rick
06-16-2008 01:17 AM
 
 
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