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Main Discussion > Thumb to Pinch - how long?

basmntdweller
Senior Heliman
Location: Indianapolis IN

I started out thumbing and flew planks for 20 years that way. I got a heli about 5 years ago and found that my thumbs alone didn't have the precision needed to fly a heli. Now after getting very comfortable with helis doing mild 3D, I'm wishing I have forced myself to learn the precision needed. While pinching, I don't have the flexibility and reach to get to the corners very easy. I don't notice it on helis as much as I do my 3D profiles. I'm actually working my way back to thumbs on the planes. once I get fully comfortable on them, then maybe I'll make the change on helis.

Matt

Stupid people have no idea how stupid they are!!!

06-11-2008 01:14 AM

Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

I think a neck strap makes all the difference especially properly adjusted for ergonomics

You should adjust the neck strap length so the radio hangs level with:

Arms relaxed straight down at your sides
Elbows bent 90°
Wrists straight
Palms flat against the sides of the radio
Pinky fingers comfortably under the radio
Ring fingers comfortably at the top switches
Middle fingers comfortably at the face switches
Thumbs and index fingers comfortably on the sticks

I flip the switches one way with one finger and the other way with another finger - Top switches I engage with my ring fingers and disengage with my middle fingers - Face switches I engage with my middle fingers and disengage with my index fingers

06-11-2008 01:19 AM

Richardmid1
Senior Heliman
Location: Leeds, England

Lukas Riva flys with thumbs, have you seen that dude fly?! Wow!

Eat, sleep, 3D, crash, repair, repeat...

06-11-2008 02:54 PM

JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Yup, I have and I said so above as well.

Lukas also has his pitch stick reversed which just seems odd to me. I have flown 3 SIM sessions now with pinch and it is feeling more natural all the time. I think it will help ME personally, though it may not help everyone. Interesting to note though that 90% plus of the Pro's I know of fly pinch.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

06-11-2008 03:01 PM

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Mutt
Veteran
Location: t ca usa

so then if you dork your heli in while pinching what do you call it cant call it dumb thumb no more. I will stick with thumbs

06-11-2008 04:57 PM

Micro-Maniac
Elite Veteran
Location: Pasco,Washington Formerly: Captain Chaos

There's a lot of these threads and seems they tend to offend a lot of thumbers who jump in with a lot of clammering trying to defend thumbing and derail those wanting to convert to pinch - But here's something that speaks much louder than all the clammering in the world IMO:

No thread exists about pinchers wanting to convert to thumbs

You never hear a pincher say he wishes he were a thumber

06-11-2008 05:44 PM

Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

06-11-2008 05:58 PM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

hey jase just practice on the old girls....ummmm....can't be said here. If it doesn't help it sure would be fun however.
I'm trying to go nipple grip on the sim too. Then I go back to thumbs.

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so then if you dork your heli in while pinching what do you call it cant call it dumb thumb no more. I will stick with thumbs

how about nipple grip slip.

I'll keep trying to convert. I find it better on the sim but I'd like to try a tray as well.

06-11-2008 06:01 PM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

hey wingman...is that all you can find on the subject?

06-11-2008 06:02 PM

Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

like it??? it has been discussed a few times

06-11-2008 06:05 PM

Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

sure has...hasn't it. You have a quiet day?

06-11-2008 06:59 PM

Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

just trying to be helpfull

06-11-2008 07:16 PM

JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Wingman77: Not a single one of those threads asks how long, that's why I posted my thread. I knew the thumb vs. pinch debate was all over RR, what wasn't was how long the switch should take.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

06-11-2008 10:16 PM

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Wingman77
Key Veteran
Location: Pulaski TN US

but it was talked about in a few of those threads.
but I can understand that it may have been hard to find though

anyway we can fix that....um do you have a sim??

06-11-2008 11:02 PM

JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

In my posts above it says I do.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

06-11-2008 11:08 PM

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Helinutnz
Elite Veteran
Location: below 42 South

well jase it took me about a year of trying to change from 16 years of mode 1 to mode 2. 3 separeate goes and then I tried on the sim for 3 months and hammered it. Can't fly for $hit now on mode 1.

The old nipple grip should be easy compared to that. The only thing I found out was due to my right thumb being a little stiff (maybe carpal tunnel or something...man I hate getting older) I find it uncomfortable to hold the tx and then nipple grip. I cannot get the range of movement that I need. So I think I'll try a tray as the neck strap doesn't help with that.

06-12-2008 06:45 AM

seattle_helo
Key Veteran
Location: Washington State, USA

Jason, it took me about six months of serious effort before I comfortably made the transition from thumbs to pinch. Now that I'm used to it (and greatly prefer it) I could never go back. I tried, actually, just a week or so ago and was amazed at the difference. So much smoother and more precise with the pinch. Keep it up- it's worth the effort and initial frustration.

nick

06-12-2008 06:52 AM

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JAGNZ
Elite Veteran
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Thanks for the encouragement guys, it's getting easier day by day. It IS more precise for sure, if for no other reason than it restricts the range of movement somewhat. The true test will be flying live that way. Kevin's bringing me a neck strap this weekend so that will be my first go that way.

Jason Greenwood

Fury Extreme, 2X T600N's, Trex 500, DSX9 2.4
www.3dheli.co.nz

06-12-2008 08:09 AM

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Spacey
Senior Heliman
Location: Pretoria, South Africa

Yaa it's not that bad...YOU CAN DOOOO IIIIT! Hehehe

Still switching myself, needs to be said.

Been at it for about a year now and I can now fly my F3C machines completely pinch. I was having a horrible time with the hovering flying only thumbs. When I 3D however I still find myself switching on occasion to only thumbs for some stuff but I jippo it you see?

Fly still with your thumb like said earlier on in the thread on top of the stick and just guide with your other finger, if you need to juggle the sticks and accuracy is not the end of the world just move your forefinger out the way slightly and get it back in afterwards. I sometimes find I do this without thinking about it while doing piroflips for instance.

I don't pressure it and have realised on a few occasions now that I never stopped pinching even through the most chaotic stuff. Especially doing a piro flip down low...hate those dreaded thumb slips when the pucker factor is scary high.

06-12-2008 08:20 AM

ofir
Senior Heliman
Location: tel aviv - israel

For me it took one month to get use to the pinching grip. (after 6 months flying).
to get more comfortable, I have built a device to hold the remote. (watch my gallery for pictures).

You don't mess with the ofir...

06-12-2008 09:23 AM

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