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Flybarless Rotor Head Systems > Fly Bar Setup X-Cell

MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Aha, that the paddle-head for XCell, Kasama coming out with a Flybarless head for many helis, thats the one I was thinking about...

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06-18-2008 03:43 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

e292644
Have you flown your bird with the fly barless set up yet?
Where did you get the carbon fiber for the new front end you built?

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

06-21-2008 04:54 PM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

airborne r/c

Sorry, don't have time at this moment, maybe next month.
I use ACETAL sheet instead CF.
I believe you can get CF sheet online, just google it.
HERE is one of the online store sell CF sheet with different colors.
I may be able to cut some more sample for you next month if you want it.
You will need to get a MA 120/140 swash plate and some small parts the get it done.

06-23-2008 11:34 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

I am not sure what I will need yet. It is something I won't be setting up for a couple of months or more. I am getting ready to change duty stations and teach my kids to fly while I am on leave, so I don't have enough time to get started on a mod quite that big yet. I have a friend in our airframe shop that is going to make the new deck and a few 90* bell cranks for me out of some T6 1/16th an 1/8th inch aluminum. I have a swash from a Caliber 30/50 that was given to me and from all the measurements I have taken it should work if it does I will be ordering an upgraded swash that is better than what I have for it now. The biggest difference I can tell between your swash and mine your bird has the support for the non-rotating ring is in the front where mine is in the back. That will allow me to keep 95% of the set up that is already in place.

What are the small parts I may need?
Do you have any advice or anything I need to keep in mind while doing this mod, this is the first time doing some thing this big to a heli? (I am more than will to learn from other mistakes you or others had made doing something like this)?

Thanks for the web sites I have them save for later when I get a heli to mod before I even get to fly it for the first time.

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

06-24-2008 10:35 PM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

Anti-rotation guide position can be vary depend on the elevator servo location.
As you can see on my 1005, I raise it up to compensate the length of the link. That was the reason I move the anti rotation guide to the front and same as the Gyro. I guess it will be possible to keep it at the same place but I need to redo my drawing.
Any 10mm swash plate should work once you have the right measurement on the link.
I can provide most of the small parts like bolts/nuts, washers and spacers between the plates. The only thing you need is some cable tie and washout hub and arms. Mikado MIK4018 swashplate driver will work but I prefer to mod it by myself.
And the last thing is the link rod from swash plate to main blade grips.
This is all about hobby my friend. use your best judgment and safety concern. Bench test before the fly.
You can wait after test fly and we will see after that.

06-25-2008 12:57 AM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

If all my rough measurements are within bout 5mm from what I actually need the spare link kit for the head of my gohbee will work perfectly with the mod. I will keep the rest of the mod I have already done for going flybarless (the brass spacer between the swash and wash out set). I might get a swash driver or two if I end up keeping it bar less. If I don't like it I will be changing it back to the original design. When I mod I try to do it in such a way I can step back with out costing too much. I need to get me a tap and die set with small enough dies to be able to thread the links. That way I order in bulk and cut my own length out. Leave your drawing the way it is I might go with your design and move the anti-rotation guide to the front. This is what I enjoy so much about this hobby. Have an idea, make it, try it, and maybe rebuild of because it.

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

06-25-2008 10:17 AM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

airborne r/c

Your are right, feels good once have your design work done all by yourself.
Received my cnc router today. gonna to set it up this weekend. Will let you know the progress.

06-25-2008 08:57 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

Final got my eCCPM set up on the X-Cell and now just waiting on good weather to do the test flights. This will be the first flight with out a fly bar and with the 120* swash.

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

07-27-2008 07:04 AM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

e292644
In you pic posted on 06-17-2008 07:56 AM I was looking at the way you have the pitch servo set up and I can not see how you set up the linkages and the bell cranks. I thought what I had set up would work but it wont. every thing else I set up for the front of the works just perfect.

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

07-27-2008 01:47 PM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

airborne r/c,

Photos of my setup.

07-27-2008 05:52 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

Thanks a lot that anwsered my questio and I now know what I need to do. The fix is so simple that I almost feel stupid for not relizing it before.
Thanks again

Airborne R/C

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07-27-2008 10:54 PM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

Sounds great, let us know the result.

07-28-2008 07:29 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

Got the first of the test flights done today. That fly bar less setup is diffrent. I am having a bit of trouble trying to find the right Expo to program in to the RX. With the way it seems to hover I have to learn how to fly this one all over again. It doesn't seem to be controled the same as the others with the bar installed. Or It could be me just beeing scared S@#tless from so many mods all at once. It promises to be fun!!! Can't wait to go again!!!

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

07-29-2008 02:21 PM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

That's a good news.
Have you install any flybarless control i.e. CSM, V-Bar or Helicommand?
Or add extra gyro on pitch and aileron?
I do have Helicommand Rigid installed on my heli, can't wait to test fly it.

07-29-2008 03:02 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

No I didn't install anything on it. But if it doesn't get any easer with practice I will be using a few of my 240's or checking into a Helicommand Rigid. Never heard of it but sounds like I need to check on it.

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

07-29-2008 05:39 PM

MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Are you saying your flying a flybarless heli without any gyro on roll/nick axis?!?!??!

Team Autopartner - Team pilot

07-30-2008 05:31 PM

e292644
Heliman
Location: S. Calif, USA

I am not surprised. Should work with slow speed and hovering.
But if you try fast forward......not a good idea.

07-30-2008 05:50 PM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

Quote
Are you saying your flying a flybarless heli without any gyro on roll/nick axis?!?!??!

Yes

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

07-31-2008 01:05 AM

MrMel
Elite Veteran
Location: Lidingo, Sweden

Quote
Yes

Ehhh, lol, thats not gonna be any eaiser to fly, ever.
When we call it "Flybarless" its not really flybarless, its electronic Flybar, still making the same effect as mechanically.

Btw, skip the 240 idea, those gyro's arent good enough to get good result, thats why the price on the electronic versions is quite high.

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07-31-2008 07:00 AM

airborne r/c
Senior Heliman
Location: Woodward, Okla

Quote
thats not gonna be any eaiser to fly, ever.

For the most part that is the point of doing it. I enjoy flying patterns, doing flips, rolls, autos, and all the same inverted with my Gohbee 50. I am do not want to learn 3D. Flying full out in a area the size of my kids bed room isn't what I want to do, maybe some day I will give it a try. But for now I want a more challanging helio to fly, and maybe a few people to call me crazy for it. Right now I do not fly it with anyone around, I am all by myself doing the hover work. By the time I learn this one fairly well I will build a CH47 Chinook to fly. I just have to learn about the R/C version and how it works and how the controls are set up. I know how the real thing works and will attempt to base it off of the design of the real thing. Call me crazy call it a waist of time I just call it fun.

Take offs are Optional, Landings are Mandatory

07-31-2008 03:52 PM

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