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Computer Flight Simulators > G4 question???/ opinion
 
 
XCELL91
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Ga

Hi all-
okay let me preface this by saying I have been flying helis for years...I just got the g4 this past week to work on refreshing my orientation after a few year beak from the hobby. Is it just me or does anyone else think it is near impossible to fly this thing? it flys absolutely nothing like the real thing. its like a swing pendulum that is near impossible to control and hold steady. it constantly moves goes off in a million directions and gets imputs from god knows where. I'm definately not giving it any imputs. I tested it out several time & tryed the trim. touching only the collective i get the heli off the ground & it immidately starts flying off in some direction. to top it off I think it is really difficult to see the heli soon as you get it 5 feet a way from your face. the only way i have found tho use this thing is to get up to ten thousand feet and use the zoom function. Maybe I'm crazy or have not set this up correctly but right now I'm pretty fustrated and think that this was a huge waist of money. maybe they only made this thing for planes, those fly half way decent... any imput would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
06-09-2008 06:13 AM
 
 
Dood
Elite Veteran
Location: America's Dairyland

Sounds to me like you made the mistake of buying RealFlight and not Phoenix.

(yes, I've tried them all)

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(='.'=) The Dood abides.
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06-09-2008 06:19 AM
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KevinB
Senior Heliman
Location: Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

IF you have the computer power to run it at a good framerate, G4 is the best sim out there (imho). I've tried Phoenix and XTR also. If your computer isn't a 'gaming' rig, then Phoenix is likely your better choice.

It sounds like more of a calibration issue in your case though. Have you gone through the controller calibration steps in the menu ?

What kind of PC do you have ? Processor, amount of RAM, kind of graphics card ?


KevinB
06-09-2008 01:50 PM
 
 
XCELL91
Heliman
Location: Atlanta, Ga

Yup. I have all the highest quality hardware out there. (video, ram, processor etc. And yes I went through the callibration setup.
06-09-2008 03:22 PM
 
 
dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

I think that G4 CAN be realistic but it's the other features of Real Flight (bells and whistles) that make it the ONLY choice IMHO. The multiplayer, instruction videos, training tools and overall support for the program are some of the things that all of the other sims lack.
06-09-2008 03:30 PM
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Dakine
Elite Veteran
Location: OC, Commifornia

Sounds like you need practice.

It is very easy to fly RF G4.
06-14-2008 08:55 AM
 
 
pariah
Senior Heliman
Location: West Valley City, UT - United States of America

I'll second the need for practice.

Additionally, - G4 (and earlier sims) also simulates wind, of various kinds of gusting, shifting directions, etc.

It's rare to have a heli that you lift off the ground and it just stays put. Truth be told, I have never seen a heli that will stay put "hands off"

It's more like putting a ball bearing on a plate of glass, and holding it in your hands. Keeping the ball from moving is tough unless you rest the glass on something.


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06-17-2008 03:58 AM
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bvinduck
New Heliman
Location: Kitty Hawk, NC

I have had the same problems with real flight G4

First- I'm just beginning with helicoptors. I have a pretty good if not great PC. The inputs are SO sensitive that after try the sim for a few hours- as about to give up the whole thing. note- I had already purchase $1500.00 in R/C helicopter stuff...

I'm basically at the point to see if my wallet (which isn't very full) can support a couple of crashes.

I will stated the sim. has helped be to get a idea- but with it super senitive even breathing near the controls make it harder to do much with it but crash or hit the reset button to start over.

I do believe the real R/C helicopter are senitive which brings me to a statement for manufactures. WHY NOT DESIGN A R/C HELICOPTER THAT WILL FLY WITHOUT HAVE SUPER HYPER SENITIVITY?
06-28-2008 04:31 PM
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

Quote 
First- I'm just beginning with helicoptors. I have a pretty good if not great PC. The inputs are SO sensitive that after try the sim for a few hours- as about to give up the whole thing. note- I had already purchase $1500.00 in R/C helicopter stuff...

Don't take this the wrong way but the 'just beginning' part is the key to most of your issues.

After I type this I'm going to fire up G4 on the other computer that I use for video editing and see if Xcell91 is right. I don't think that he is.

Set G4 to manual zoom and use the + and - keys to zoom in to a point that looks like just where you start out at the field. Download the heli in my gallery and fire it up and see how that suits you.

TM

..............Yep, just tried the Synergy N9 and it flies just like tnbulldog's who lives next door to me.

TM

Buying tools is half of the equation, knowing how to use them is the other. - T Moore
06-28-2008 06:45 PM
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helical
Senior Heliman
Location: Bowling Green, KY

Don't expect to learn to hover in a few days. Heli's take A LOT of practice. I practiced hovering on the sim for 40hrs before taking up the real thing. You'll get it eventually. This hobby takes patience.

Also, it's not a Realflight thing. Any good sim will feel hard at first.
06-28-2008 07:28 PM
 
 
AltecLansing
Key Veteran
Location: Star Ship Enterprise

I too found the real flight to be like a pendulum. It took a while to get used to. It takes more precise control to get it fly around smoothly. When I say smoothly, I mean like a newbie first learning to do forward flight. He starts out flying uneven and just sorts of guides it around instead making it go where you want. After a while of practice you will get nice level flights. This has helped me fly my rc heli. I'm still a beginner, but I make the heli go where I want. I just don't try to make it do things I am not ready for. Plus, the instructors on real flight gave me a lot of insight to the moves I always wondered about.

Man, I miss the eighties.
06-28-2008 07:57 PM
 
 
heli_n00bi3
Heliman
Location: Fairfield, CA

Quote 
do believe the real R/C helicopter are senitive which brings me to a statement for manufactures. WHY NOT DESIGN A R/C HELICOPTER THAT WILL FLY WITHOUT HAVE SUPER HYPER SENITIVITY?

There are many ways to accomplish lower sensitivity with both mechanical and electronic setups. You should read up on flybar weights and expo (in the transmitter). Most helis can be setup over a wide continuum of sensitivity, based on the skill level of the pilot
06-29-2008 05:36 AM
 
 
TMoore
rrProfessor
Location: Cookeville, TN

The stock machines in G4 and G3 are pretty lame compared to some of the stuff that I've flown in real time. There are some dudes that are flying insane amounts of CP and cyclics on real machines and they are so touchy that you can barely breathe on them and they flip.

I'm not sure why the models seem to be touchy on G4. Mine are nice and stable.

TM

Buying tools is half of the equation, knowing how to use them is the other. - T Moore
06-29-2008 05:33 PM
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nivlek
rrProfessor
Location: Norfolk England

I have or have had most of the major sims . I currently own Phoenix , Aerofly Pro Deluxe and Realflight G4 . Nine times out of ten I choose to use G4 .

At the end of the day , it gets dark .
06-29-2008 07:19 PM
 
 
bilbo
Veteran
Location: Boston, MA - USA

I prefer Phoenix over RealFlight for helis. However RealFlight is very good as well, so I would suggest the problems you're having are either because a) you're misremembering what it's like to fly RC helis after your several years break, b) The RC helis you used to fly were much different than the ones you're trying in the sim, or c) you have something setup wrong, or your computer isn't adequate to run the sim correctly.
06-29-2008 08:59 PM
 
 
TexasTyphoon
Heliman
Location: Orange, Texas

I have to agree, I also am returning from a break of about three years and picked up a G4 to get my finger limbered up again.

With everything set to zero wind and soforth the real flight Raptor 60 is all over the place. I've hovered the real 60 in my back yard and it is rock solid.

I may have to give it a touch here and there but it is no near the the fight g4 Raptor 60.

Now I have just started using the program and am using the G4 controller so it may get better with some adjustments. I fly with a 10X so the feel is different. I will also have to mod the controller to get the notches out of the throttle.

As for the the computer, Gatway FX quad core, 4 gigs and duel vidio cards. with one gig each. nothing has slowed it down yet, I don't even think the secondary fans have kicked on.
07-28-2008 06:40 AM
 
 
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