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alvaro guardia
Heliman
Location: Costa Rica

I switched from a 14mz to a 12x because I trust/like Spektrum over FASST
06-08-2008 07:13 PM
 
 
THX1138
Elite Veteran
Location: Plainfield, IN

Sweet!! Welcome to the club!!

Lou

Back off man, I'm a scientist.
06-08-2008 11:44 PM
 
 
creightoncarr
Veteran
Location: Missouri City, Texas - USA

Nice. Don't think you'll be disappointed.
06-09-2008 01:44 AM
 
 
dhollein
Key Veteran
Location: Tucson, AZ

Good move!

Besides, that 12x is damn sweet!
06-09-2008 01:53 AM
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seattle_helo
Key Veteran
Location: Washington State, USA

Yes. Good move for sure.
06-09-2008 02:45 AM
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student
Heliman
Location: bergamo italy

which mode??
horizon told me taht jr 12x can't be switch on mode 3.
byby
06-10-2008 07:35 AM
 
 
turboomni
Elite Veteran
Location: 63 Rambler Down By The Dumpster

Quote 
I trust/like Spektrum over FASST

May I ask why ? I own a X9303 and like it alot . Just wondering what is wrong with Fasst. Have there been problems with FASST?

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly better than I can pilot them
06-10-2008 03:37 PM
 
 
Fred I
Senior Heliman
Location: Irvine, CA

just feel the 12X or 10X gimballs versus the "other" high end radios.
and you'll know why once you use JR you'll stick with JR.
06-10-2008 09:01 PM
 
 
RAK402
Veteran
Location: Alhambra, CA

FASST has had two reported problems, that I know of (these being discussed on various forums):

1) The issue of the six and, I believe, seven channels being shipped with either the GUID set to zero, or able to be accidentally set to zero by the user.

I think that very, very few of these went out, and Futaba acknowledged the issue and has been taking care of it.

2) A heat issue in some of the receivers reportedly cropping up as the weather becomes hotter. Recievers mounted in an aircraft which is subjected to high temperature (such as sitting in the pits in very hot weather) have reportedly shut down. People are installing fans and cooling hole to prevent the problem.


On the Spektrum side, there has been the "Brown Out" issue (rx voltage dropping under load to below 3.5 volts briefly and causing the reciever to re-set (which takes several seconds). Spektrum has addressed this by offering to upgrade all recievers to "Quick Connect" firmware at no charge, and shipping all new units with "Quick Connect". Quick connect causes the reciever to come back on the same two frequencies it was on when it experienced the power shortage, rather that having it scan the entire range of 80 frequencies to search for the GUID (which takes the aforementioned several seconds).

Proper reciever power (i.e. a large capacity pack, regulated Lipo, Lion, or Lithium Manganese pack, etc., will avoid the #Brown Out" issue entirely.

All the information above was gleaned from the forums.

The above information was gleaned from the magazines and the forums. It was not intended as a shot at Futaba. They are a good company and, I believe, will correct the problem.

In the interim JR/Spektrum has proven to be the most solid radio system I have flown in R/C in 32 years of flying helicopters. The "connected" feeling of the 12X that some people have mentioned is true, and almost unbelievable (extremely good).
06-11-2008 05:22 PM
 
 
majicjohnson
Senior Heliman
Location: Norwich, UK

I have been a JR flyer for 25 years. After the following I have switched to Futaba:

1) Ar9000 not connecting to transmitter 50% of the time.
2) Horizon excellent service returned another unit and updated to quick connect on all others I owned.
3) Replacement receiver on 4th flight locked out. Just happened to be knife edge with the heli so it went in. The glitch detecter noted 4 holds that flight.

1) My friends brand new DX9 with dedicated JR 9 channel receiver went in to hold and crashed his N9.
2) Customer service again excellent receiver replaced.

1) Another bud 2 fails using DX7, his receivers he took a hammer to. He's gone back to 35 mhz.

All using Li-po regulators so no power issues.

Maybe its our flying site suffering from a lot of noise, shouldn't be its pretty remote but will have that looked in to. Failure rate seems pretty high.

Could it be the drop in power on the JR system that legally has to be done. Does it make a viable solid system less so over here. Futaba doesn't have to be reduced as it's peak and not continuous output!

Fasst users at the field hav had no reported problems, and been in the UK it never gets that hot, lol

Edging my bets, gone Futaba 12FG, if there are any problems I can keep the transmitter and put a FM module in the back and keep 2048 resolution:-)

Just our experiences.

MJ
06-12-2008 09:23 AM
 
 
pchristy
Senior Heliman
Location: Nr London, England

"All using Li-po regulators so no power issues."

And I'll bet a pound to a penny that that was the cause of all your problems!

Old engineering adage (from an old engineer ;-) ALWAYS check the POWER SUPPLIES first!

You would not believe the number of "radio issues" I've fixed by removing regulators and substituting a good 4-cell nicad pack!

The Golden Rule: KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)

Regulators add complexity. In the event of glitching issues, ALWAYS remove the regulator first, and go back to a basic power supply to see if that fixes the problem. 9 times out of 10, it will!

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Pete
06-12-2008 10:18 AM
 
 
majicjohnson
Senior Heliman
Location: Norwich, UK

Maybe this should be on a thread all on its own. The power problems resulting in Brown Outs is due to the voltage dropping below the threshold of the receiver. In this case the quick connect feature is great and indicates that this has occured by blinking LED's on the unit. This condition was not seen on any of ours so we can rule out Brown Out's as a reason for the hold's.

A high quality power source for demanding applications is a bonus and although simpler methods are out there, there performance cannot match a regulated system. Pro's and con's for most things. Always worth getting back to basics to find a course but we know that power was not the cause in these cases.

I'm suggesting the failure of mine was the receiver. All new items can have potential failures but the failure rate at our club with Spektrum/JR seems high. My 2 receiver's both new (under 5 flights old) were sent back and failed under test. My friend sent his back and a replacement was issued with a letter saying they had done it to restore customer confidence. TOP SERVICE, if nothing else. Doesn't help with the airframe loss though!!

I must say that prior to these faulty receivers, I had been using DSM2 for 5 months without incident and prob 100+ flights with the same setups as the failure machine. I have just flown 5 flights with the Fasst system which is 1 more than my last new airframe, lol

MJ
06-12-2008 03:18 PM
 
 
RAK402
Veteran
Location: Alhambra, CA

MJ,

Interesting on the failures in the UK. It would be interesting to hear if it is due to the TX power reduction.

Here, in the western US, people are starting to report heat-related problems with some of the FASST equipment. It is on some of the forums (but some of the threads seem to have disappeared).

Evidently, if your machine sits in the sun on a hot day (I think it has to be pretty darn hot), some of the FASST recievers just shut down. People are starting to install cooling holes and fans in their aircraft. It is hard to sort out the actual issues vs. what might be hysteria.

Futaba has just released new guidelines for mounting recievers, so there is something to it.

A user can control the type and capacity of the onboard power supply, and can have the recievers updated on the Spektrum equipment to "quick connect". A user cannot modify the weather or the temperature, so Spektrum is the logical choice in this particular neck of the woods.

I have, by the way, seen very few instances of problems with either Spektrum or FASST here, so far.


Good luck to you whatever you do. If you identify a source of the problems you have experienced, that would be very interesting to know as well.
06-12-2008 04:25 PM
 
 
pchristy
Senior Heliman
Location: Nr London, England

MJ,

If you are *convinced* that it wasn't a power issue, then fine.

Following your suggestion, I'm starting a new thread about regulators. My experience has been that whenever glitching (or more serious) issues occur, its always a good idea to eliminate the power supplies first, and you'd be surprised how many times this affects a complete cure!

Not always, for sure, but surprisingly often!

I've just been round this route with a sceptical fellow club member. He isn't sceptical any longer!

Best of luck!

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Pete
06-12-2008 06:57 PM
 
 
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