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Scale Model RC Helicopters > Scratch building a 1/4 scale Jetranger and Longranger
 
 
Rotor George
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

Separation

Hi Guys,

The halves separated from the parting table nicely. A simple clean up of the dried PVA and clay residue and then I can start the process all over again...wax, PVA, gelcoat, layers...fun...fun.







Until next time,
George
10-20-2008 01:29 PM
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blt4ice
Veteran
Location: Newark, DE

So, the blue part there is the plug still inside the mold?

Brian
Heli tools used: Torch, Pipe Wrench, 4 ft. crowbar
10-20-2008 02:09 PM
 
 
helibuff
Senior Heliman
Location: Mascouche, Quebec, Canada

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So, the blue part there is the plug still inside the mold?

Yes it is

Yvon (Helibuff)
10-20-2008 09:43 PM
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Brokenlink
Veteran
Location: Oakdale,Ca.

Ok,who's in favor of George taking vacation and working on this all day every day

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards."
10-20-2008 09:50 PM
 
 
blt4ice
Veteran
Location: Newark, DE

I'm already setting aside a fund to buy this kit from him when he is ready to sell them At least I hope he will sell them

Brian
Heli tools used: Torch, Pipe Wrench, 4 ft. crowbar
10-20-2008 09:53 PM
 
 
Rotor George
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

Side 2

Hey Guys,

Side 2 of the molds has received it's coat of PVA then the tooling gelcoat. I also started on one of the horizontal stabilizers.



There's nothing too exciting to report other then this process for a while now. The next big update will be the detailing of the fuselages in a couple of weeks when I get back into town.

Until next time,
George

@ blt4ice, I'll be selling them, don't worry.
10-21-2008 11:35 PM
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Brokenlink
Veteran
Location: Oakdale,Ca.

So you only use the parting board just the once then huh?

Man that's going to be a looooooooong two weeks.
You and the family have a great time.

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards."
10-21-2008 11:40 PM
 
 
Thompson Fuse
Heliman
Location: Lancaster, PA

Parting Boards

Brokenlink,

The parting boards only get used for the first part of this operation. If only one mold is ever made then the parting boards do their job and are then trashed. If more then one mold is made or if a mold has to be remade then the parting boards can be used again.

Christopher
10-22-2008 02:39 AM
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Brokenlink
Veteran
Location: Oakdale,Ca.

Ok,thanks for explaining that.This thread is very interesting.

"Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards."
10-22-2008 02:46 AM
 
 
Rotor George
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

Final Layer

Hey Guys,

Just laying up the final layers for side two of the 206L fins and the first layer of the horz stab.



Once this mess is cured I'll trim off the excess, drill the alignment holes then pop it open.

Unitl next time.
George
10-22-2008 06:02 PM
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Rotor George
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

206L Fin Mold

Hi Guys,

The molds for the 206L end fins came out great! Nice and shiny even before polishing.



Here's the other half showing how the details reproduced.



Until next time,
George
10-23-2008 02:37 PM
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blt4ice
Veteran
Location: Newark, DE

hard to tell but is the shiny red the actual outside surface of the part? and that is only one half of the fin?

Brian
Heli tools used: Torch, Pipe Wrench, 4 ft. crowbar
10-23-2008 03:45 PM
 
 
Rotor George
Senior Heliman
Location: Tampa, Fl

blt4ice,

I added another photo showing the other half. Yes the shiny "inside" surface will be the actual outside surface of the finished part. After curing for a week or so they'll get polished to a mirror finish.

George
10-23-2008 04:34 PM
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Hoverup
Elite Veteran
Location: Gulf Coast

Whenever I see your name on a post, I rush to see the latest magic.

Cheers - Boyd
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10-23-2008 04:55 PM
 
 
brokenheli
Senior Heliman
Location: gettysburg Pa.

I've been a mold maker since I was 12... I am telling you thats some fine work wait till you see the mold after you polish it in 2 or 3 weeks Kevin

never stop learning
10-23-2008 04:56 PM
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brokenvet
New Heliman
Location: castle rock, colorado usa

Howdy George,
Wow brother! You have a skill that few have! Really, really enjoy the build! If you decide to sell, any idea on a price, or is that as yet to be determined? I'm a big long ranger fan so you can probably guess wich one I'm after! I have a very limited income, so be gentle!! I eagerly look forward to each of your posts. Awesome job!
Linn
10-23-2008 06:13 PM
 
 
dmlong
New Heliman
Location: Albquerque, NM

Are you using just any type of cardboard, or a specific type?
10-28-2008 03:24 PM
 
 
Arthur
Heliman
Location: Wales. UK

Words fail me George, when trying to describe your skills. A thing of beauty is a joy to behold. Inspiring is one that comes to mind.
10-30-2008 06:02 PM
 
 
artimus
Veteran
Location: Puyallup WA

Master Builder is another.....

AMA #890376..... Flying Helis is like sex ...you dont have to be good at it to enjoy it....
10-30-2008 07:11 PM
 
 
Mario V
New Heliman
Location: Upstate NY

Hi guys,

Dmlong, I think George mentioned to me that it was just some plain cardboard he'd purchased in 4x8' size. George will know how thick. He's not ignoring us; lucky Rotorgeorge is on holiday, and from the pics, he and his wife are relaxing in great style guys!

So I mentioned to him I'd try to entertain you here goes!

Here are some pics from about a week ago showing some of the parts being made to outfit George's astonishing work.



I apologize for the camera. I'm no 'rotorGeorge' when it comes to pics guys! These are some of the quick-fasteners. George was specific he wanted these depicted in their 3 seperate states. Some horiz. some vert. and two, at 45 degree angles. These are ganged up in the molds so I can make one-half set for a kit at once. I had troubles with these until I tried a 'film' type resin which generates more heat a bit faster than usual resin.




Here's the rough pattern for the 1st console, the 206B type. Here, I'm just playing with the layout of the bits. The upper powerlight console is just a piece of black sign vinyl I cut as a guide for layout, the pattern now has this panel raised to it's prototypical height. The dummy covers (here just in black) are now raised and have screws. I ended up cnc cutting the upper ganged lights for that pattern piece. I'm torn between using real microscrews, per kit, or just casting them in the parts. Elsewhere the interior kit has resin screws. This pattern goes back to the origin on the cnc to get it's guage-holes cut next. ( I was finicky about the slight uplift.) This is just the first incarnation of the console, of three planned. I have an old trick for the gauges I'll be using here guys that'll really set this piece off.




Help from above:

Above is the bladejaw for the Bristol Magellan WSPS, aka the "cablecutters". This is just one jaw-half cnc'd for the top or bottom pattern. The kind (and tolerant!) people at Magellan / Bristol Aerospace have been kind enough to supply detailed information and pattern shapes of their cutter installations for our efforts here.

If you're interested in how the real steel works saving lives check here:

http://www.bristol.ca/Aerostructures.html,

Also, here is a nice animation made (I think) by an outfitter, Edwards and Associates, of the Bristol system, and how it works.

http://www.edwards-assoc.com/images...wirestrike.html

Here, I'm playing with the spacing of the allen-bolts that retain the blades. Can you see what's wrong with my setup so far? (I had to get even smaller allen-bolts to cast.)





No I'm not ill, it's the camera.

Here's one of the WSPS 'blades'. This particular part is cnc PVC that will lightly glue into the appropriate gap in the WSPS jaws. It's light and rigid and safer than metal there up so close under the rotors of a model. Beyond are two seperate types of chin WSPS.






Above is one of the Gear Mounting Bracket parts cast in alumilite because I like its machineability. (And no pressure) Plus, if you make a mold that works very well with something thick like Alumilite, the smoother higher viscosity production resins shoot like a dream. This part's pattern was cnc'd in three pieces. It's very close to the Bell part, but we cheated the lower four bolts in resin. It'll use two bolts but look like the real six. George was concerned about this part: For a stronger footprint to the 'cap' I cheated the front/back cavities out flat, and we widened out the face a touch. It's basically a couple minor deviations from the real part(s).

Looks good right? NOPE! The bolt heads are a touch too short on this pattern, and it's got pinholes. The final piece will have slightly smaller holes too.

Not finalized, I'll be sending a bunch of these to George today for him to check out, and to have something to actually sit his little sharks on.






Another expertly photographed shot!

Here's me running a few off a gang mold. These are pressurecast so they're tough as nails, crisp and free of any bubbles, warts or bumps. I made versions out of polyester, Duraglass, Alumilite, and two types of Smooth-on then crushed them all on a hydraulic press with a 1/2 inch steel rod riding in the bearing face. (Duraglass won.) I even made a couple clear to look for troublespots, and found some. I'm ridiculously picky, I like my molds as perfect as I can humanly make them. These parts will be cast in gang molds of four.

Here's an early version... can you see the flaws?


All the final parts will be a lavender purple, but diffusionally neutral like grey so they take paint either way.





Now all I need to do is determine hardware and make the alum. caps.

Many other parts are in the works, FLIR, Nitesun, lots of exterior details. Castleberry instruments and even an Avelex monitor for the Law Enforcement" panel on the 407. (You can see it says "Avelex" on it, heh.) I am doing the CADwork on a couple cyclic grips. The pattern will be made from this digital blueprint via stereolithography, and an "Angry Engraver" friend of mine is helping me laser tiny, perfect "Bell Jetranger" nameplate patterns for the 206B version George has created.

RunRyder guys: Your pics are very helpful! George is the consumate photographer. The astonishing pics he sends me could be put into a complete Bell 206 walk-around book, no joke. But a few of your pics have been "just the one I was looking for" also!

I will be busy with these for about another week, then I'll post some more pics, or hopefully the REAL photographer will have recieved the parts I sent to post for you.

Also, then, I'll show you a quick run through of the moldmaking and casting I already made for you, plus a few trix to save time and materials when you're making latex molds.

I'm thinking of making a seperate 'casting' thread so as not to lose focus here on George's thread. Do you think such a thread would be welcome? You'll LOVE my horrific pictures hehehe!
11-06-2008 07:32 AM
 
 
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