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Beginners Corner > I think I was tought wrong on controlling a heli...
 
 
azboostin
Heliman
Location: Logansport, INdiana

I have been flying a while... and when I started I learned that when you move the rudder stick left the tail goes left..... not the nose.... so I got used to flying like that... Now that ive started planes... my friend told me you are supposed to steer the nose not the tail.... so its all crazy backwards for me now lol.... Have I been living a lie.
06-04-2008 07:58 AM
 
 
BilJac
Senior Heliman
Location: Youngtown - AZ

I think they call it "Flying the tail". It's just a different style of flying but believe most people do it the other way and fly the nose as you described with the plane.
06-04-2008 08:28 AM
 
 
Drunk Monk
rrProfessor
Location: Preston, UK

Yep you learned the wrong way. Time to get the sim out and retrain the brain. Or just flip the rudder on your plane and keep everything the way it is. Depends on your level of flying, just means you won't be able to fly anybody elses equipment and they won't be able to fly yours.


Stephen

I only open my mouth to change feet.....
06-04-2008 08:49 AM
 
 
Morris
Senior Heliman
Location: Hong Kong

Humm, interesting thread, I guess you may stay that way if you like since you get use to it already, that should not stop you from advancing to next level. Like a lot of Chinese does not really know using chopsticks properly, I am one as my mom always says. Anyway, the whole point is, I can eat without any problem that is what I use chopsticks for, so you can fly your heli not problem, why border changing it?

www.Heli-RND.com - failing to plan is planning to fail
06-04-2008 11:17 AM
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Ghostrider
Key Veteran
Location: San Diego, CA

I'm with the Drunk Monk! Spend the time now and change to the other way. There will be times in the future when you either wan't help or wan't to give help and you will more than likely not be able to because of the way you learned.

Good luck!

Sam Gammo
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness".
06-04-2008 11:36 AM
 
 
GroundMagnet
Senior Heliman
Location: St Louis

Yeah I’m in this camp to. I’ve tried to do it on the sim but dam trying to unlearn 2 years of flying is hard. It looks like the first week of trying to fly on the sim. I havn’t decided yet as to what I am going to do.
06-04-2008 11:54 AM
 
 
blazobob
Senior Heliman
Location: us

hi
i would get a sim and a new flight coach , bob

RR Master wannabe
06-04-2008 11:59 AM
 
 
steffgiguere
Key Veteran
Location: St-Eustache, Quebec, Canada

Well we have a guy at our club who flies incredably well and has been fling for 30 plus years and he flies the tail. He is fine flying like this, therefore if your are used and comforable fling like this keep going, you do NOT need to change. Just don't fly someone elses heli with making the rudder change on the radio programming.

I wish I could fly 24/7
06-04-2008 01:25 PM
 
 
Skarn
Senior Heliman
Location: Pasadena, MD

Wow that would be so weird to me...if I wanted to do a left turn, I give the rudder right input?

Skarn

It's better to burn out than to fade away...
06-04-2008 02:58 PM
 
 
PilotDaz
Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA

Really strange concept, I wonder who came up with that? Why would you want left input to make the heli go right? Imagine if we did that in our cars and full scale aircraft?

~Team Collective Mayhem - "My anger management class really PISSES ME OFF!"
06-04-2008 06:05 PM
 
 
PilotDaz
Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA

Ok I have an idea for you. Why don't you just put the canopy on the back and the tail boom up front and you'll be good to go?

~Team Collective Mayhem - "My anger management class really PISSES ME OFF!"
06-04-2008 06:08 PM
 
 
BilJac
Senior Heliman
Location: Youngtown - AZ

If he switches now, he'll be able to fly nose in a lot easier.
06-04-2008 06:17 PM
 
 
red_z06
Key Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

There is no such thing as THE RIGHT WAY. However, we as a pack tend to follow convention. Most of us fly mode 2 and people across the pond fly mode 1. We can't fly theirs and they can't fly ours. Lucas flys collective reversed more like the real heli.

As the convention goes, I tend to side with placing myself in the heli and have the controls go the right way. That means, If I'm inside the heli and I move the rudder to left, I want the heli to turn left. Of course you can fly it so that when you are inside the heli, you fly the scenery instead of the heli.

So, when you move the rudder to left, scenery will move left.

If you are closer to the level you set to accomplish, keeping it the same makes more sense. However, if you are more closer to beginning than the goal that you set out to achieve, I would consider flyig the heli rather than flying the scenery.

www.justinchi.com
06-04-2008 06:36 PM
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Triguy
Heliman
Location: Nevada, USA

Oh, wow. I'm in the same boat. I just reversed the servo and tried flying again. I'm in for another few days of practicing now...

Granted, I don't need to reverse the servo, but if I ever want to test fly someone else's bird or anything like that, it will be difficult.

Guess I'm still new enough that it won't matter if I switch...
06-04-2008 07:50 PM
 
 
helimatt
Elite Veteran
Location: Lafayette, IN

I think you should change the setup and relearn. Not that it will matter really in your overall ability to develop flying skills, but you will be unable to fly other people's helis, and they won't be able to fly yours without remembering to reverse the rudder travel.

The guys I fly with like to let each other try out the helis, or we help new guys with their set ups, so you'd be putting up a barrier you really don't want.

Never, ever, ever, ever give up.
06-04-2008 08:13 PM
 
 
PilotDaz
Veteran
Location: Seattle, WA

helimatt

+1

~Team Collective Mayhem - "My anger management class really PISSES ME OFF!"
06-04-2008 09:56 PM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

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There is no such thing as THE RIGHT WAY.

Bull!!! The guy has is wrong. How about i set up your brand new auto to steer backwards?????

This is one of the reasons they always say to seek out help from an experienced heli pilot when starting out.


JRjoe
06-05-2008 02:17 PM
 
 
red_z06
Key Veteran
Location: Dumont, NJ

As I stated, it is only a convention. For example, real heli collective is pulled toward you to go positive but most rc collective convention is that you push to go positive. It is opposite isn't it? I would assume that is why Lucas Riva has chosen to follow the real heli convention rather than RC one for the stick.

Others won't be able to fly his and he probably won't (maybe he can) be able to fly yours. So, is his way wrong? It certainly goes against the flow (convention) but certainly not wrong.

Most of us can't fly Mode 1 and if someone showed up with a mode 1 here, you would recommand that he change to mode 2. This is done not because it is wrong to fly Mode 1 but due to what is accepted as a convention here in the states.

Another convention most have accepted is the flight mode switch on left top and throttle hold on right top. Is this THE RIGHT WAY? There is no such thing but most use it this way because you as a newbie was shown that way by your mentor or an instructor.

I was shown to grab the steering wheel at 10 and 2 o'clock and turn it left (top side) to go left.

Although the following concept is very alien to us, because we are so conditioned that way, steering wheel can be hooked up the opposite way if someone had designed it so you are supposed to grab the wheel at the near side (bottom). It would actually be more intuitive (for someone with zero conditioning to the current way) to turn the wheel to left to go right. This is because you push the wheel and your hand holding the wheel toward right to go right.

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How about i set up your brand new auto to steer backwards?????

If I was never behind a wheel before, I would have accepted that and started driving by grabbing the bottom part of the wheel as that makes more sense.

I push my hand to righ the car goes right.


Here is a thought. If you were relocating to a country that only use mode 1, would you switch and learn mode 1? None of your flying buddies will be able to fly yours and you won't be able to fly theirs. Again, I would weigh heavily on what stage of learning I'm at to decide to convert(fit in) or not.

www.justinchi.com
06-05-2008 03:07 PM
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Swoop
Veteran
Location: Newark, DE USA

Actually you need to know both. If you steer the nose in upright forward, you will eventually learn to fly the tail when inverted forward. Its really a matter of whether you mind the disadvantages of being different than the other pilots at the field.
06-05-2008 04:04 PM
 
 
JRjoe
Elite Veteran
Location: Portage, IN

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If I was never behind a wheel before, I would have accepted that and started driving by grabbing the bottom part of the wheel as that makes more sense.

No, steering from the bottom of the wheel is for when your backing up the heli trailer....


JRjoe
06-05-2008 05:56 PM
 
 
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